Can we talk about what a great job Riot did with Elise?

Totalis·Oct 19, 2015·13 votes·990 views

Champion.gg - Elise Jungle Stats, Builds, Runes, Masteries and Counters

They made her good, without making her overpowered. Perfectly balanced.

She has an win rate that's slightly above 50%, she has a 10% ban rate meaning that she's at least decent enough to ban away sometimes but not all the time, and she has good, well defined strengths as well as weaknesses. Even with a ban rate of above 10%, she only has an overall placement of 20.

Before, during, and directly after 5.14, people were constantly saying that Elise is impossible to balance, and that because of her kit she'll always either be way too weak or way too strong, but now she's actually in a good place..

On behalf of all Elise players who love to play her and can now safely play her in ranked without being considered a troll pick, I thank you Riot for a job well done ^.^

33 Comments

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 19, 20154 votes

And only completely broken in competitive

CatSithOct 19, 20152 votes

Shes is strong, but not broken. Learn what broken means in terms of champion kits.

khorneyOct 19, 20151 votes

she isnt strong and not worht a ban. annie is a need banned champ every match same as mumu something about aoe cc wins games

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 19, 20152 votes

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Shes is strong, but not broken. Learn what broken means in terms of champion kits.

I can scrape the bias off my windshield with a squeegee smh

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CatSithOct 19, 20152 votes

Tell me what makes her broken? because seeing how you think just because i main her means im bias lol.

I know how strong she is in competitive play. That doesn't make her broken, it makes her a strong pick.

Ignorance must be bliss because you are oozing stupidity.

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 19, 20153 votes

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Tell me what makes her broken? because seeing how you think just because i main her means im bias lol.

I know how strong she is in competitive play. That doesn't make her broken, it makes her a strong pick.

Ignorance must be bliss because you are oozing stupidity.

> strong > Pick/ban with a 66% win rate at the highest level of play possible

Yes, just "strong"

CatSithOct 19, 20152 votes

still cant tell me how she is broken.

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 19, 20152 votes

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still cant tell me how she is broken.

Being so overpowered she's a mandatory pick at the highest level of play isn't good enough I take it?

CatSithOct 19, 20151 votes

Ive said it before being powerful and broken is two different things. Are you that dense?

MohawkBirdOct 20, 20151 votes

Are you referring to the LCS when you say 66% win rate at highest level of play? If you are, I will mention that the LCS is drastically different in terms of balance as there are certain things that work in solo q, but not LCS, and vice versa. If you aren't referring to LCS play, then you are just blatantly wrong. I see no win rate above 60% in Master+ tier, as a matter of fact it fluctuates pretty low as well.

Akali is SO HOTOct 20, 20151 votes

Jesus Christ LOL

The Yetii RiderOct 21, 20151 votes

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And only completely broken in competitive

To be fair, her ability to dive towers like crazy early has very little effect on solo queue. People are only going to dive with you at level 3 if they trust you as a player.

TotalisOct 19, 20154 votes

The hell is with the downvotes? is it cause she's seen in competitive every game? you guys have to realize that competitive is a completely different beast than soloq

ModAttysu The PoroOct 19, 20151 votes

Thank you ^ I upvoted btw

SaltyKrackaOct 19, 20153 votes

And then you (and Riot) see she's constantly firstpicked at World's.

TotalisOct 20, 20154 votes

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And then you (and Riot) see she's constantly firstpicked at World's.

soloq and competive play are very different. there is a reason why she only has an overall performance ranking of 20 in plat+

VekknaOct 19, 20153 votes

Idk why it's so hard to understand that early-game champs are strongest in the shortest games. LCS games are all very short, so strong early-game champs will always be preferred. Same reason applies to the LCS utility meta.

I think they did a great job with Elise. If they wanted to balance her for LCS better, they can tweak spiderlings to make them weaker early, break even around 15 minutes, and scale better into late game (past 25 min or so).

Lord BoltrixOct 19, 20152 votes

Well you have to understand, competitive play isn't the same way we play. Elise hasn't had any mechanics changed, she was always good but her numbers didn't reflect picking her over other champions who could initiate and/or escape like her. Runeglaive saw a time when she was popular, but the changes saw that she decreased in popularity, but her buffs made her worthy of being picked despite the state of Runeglaive itself.

Some champs require little in terms of boosting to empower them, others require significant number buffs, revamps or full-out reworks to become viable.

Liquid DarioOct 19, 20152 votes

pretty soon your going to try to say darius is perfectly balanced LMAO I await that post.

The fact that shes seen all through worlds should have given you a different perspective.

Is she in a better spot ? yes is she overpowered ? probably. Can they fix her ? Yes.

She needs to be a tad weaker than she currently is but Riot is in the right direction.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 19, 20152 votes

Pro scene =/= Soloq

TotalisOct 20, 20151 votes

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pretty soon your going to try to say darius is perfectly balanced LMAO I await that post.

The fact that shes seen all through worlds should have given you a different perspective.

Is she in a better spot ? yes is she overpowered ? probably. Can they fix her ? Yes.

She needs to be a tad weaker than she currently is but Riot is in the right direction.

soloq and competive play are very different. there is a reason why she only has an overall performance ranking of 20 in plat+ Ill give you a hint: because in soloq she isn't op at all. same reason why darius is just a good pick at Worlds, which is why we see him every game but not banned every game, compared to soloq where he is a great pick, and is thus justly banned.

Slamurai JackOct 20, 20152 votes

Hold on, let me imitate a Morde Main real quick: "100% P/B at worlds fucking gj Riot completely broken no counterplay revert fire CertainlyT!"

Chespin2013Oct 21, 20151 votes

Yep 100% winrate and 90% banrate at worlds means the rework was a great success and that 58% winrate and 45% banrate in soloq on champion.gg is so much proof the new Morde is obviously balanced. Stop acting like you speak for Morde mains when all you do is complain about us or anybody giving logical feedback or reasonable discussion in the first place since it seems that your incapable of doing it at all. Because all you do is circlejerk over something over a topic you know nothing about. Might want to get your facts straight there mate :/

Slamurai JackOct 21, 20151 votes

You still don't know what circlejerk means. Google is your friend, use it.

Chespin2013Oct 21, 20151 votes

I agree you should use it so you can stop doing it

Slamurai JackOct 21, 20151 votes

That's a pretty lousy comeback for a 12 year old.

Chespin2013Oct 21, 20151 votes

I agree that is a pretty lousy comeback coming from you :)

Robo23Oct 19, 20151 votes

fiora, darius, gnar and elise

BattleBoarOct 19, 20151 votes

Do to her all was being pick in pro games. She likely get a nerf or some thing. To many people dont now the diffident between pro and normal games. That why I never get why people yell about diversity in pro games. Of course they are going to have fewer picks. It's a very diffident game in play style and how you think.

khorneyOct 19, 20151 votes

i would never ban her there isnt a reason to ban her she pretty much is the same as before minus she does less damage now with the big nerf on her human q

Sire HippingtonOct 20, 20151 votes

Not really, the did put her in mostly the same spot as pre nerf, rather balanced in soloQ, though still raher Op for those who play her well(58.68% win is pretty immpressive even compared to other 125+ winrates)

But in highlevel coordinated play, she's an abominatio, just as she was befor her nerfs, which most likely causes her to get nerfed once again. 96.8% pick/ban, 65.8% winrate, the only two champs that have even absurder stats in worlds are GP and Morde... and she maintains above 55% for plat+ 5v5

overall, they failed it pretty hard, they did repeat the exact same mistake that caused her to get dumbstered, and they have to change something again, she can't stay in the current state, dominateing high level 5v5...

DivewingOct 20, 20151 votes

the only reason Elise is "OP" in competitive is because she is the best general-early jungler (someone has to be), and turrets are a joke as of right now.

LuggOct 21, 20151 votes

Riot definitely overbuffed Elise when they reworked her. Even after a few nerfs, she is still OP. She has been pick/ban at Worlds with nearly an 80% win rate. We are talking professionals can't even beat her. She needs another round of nerfs before she can be considered balanced. That's once again the problem with overloaded kits, they are so hard to balance. It's actually better if they are slightly UP due to all they outplay they have in their kits.