i want a new meta

Morgy Morgy·Mar 25, 2016·57 votes·2,358 views

can someone at LCS just win a game without an adc so that this adc meta ends and more freedom is allowed at bot?

70 Comments

SlythionMar 25, 201614 votes

This is the new meta. Everyone hated the tank/juggernaut meta and so Riot made the assassin/adc meta. The next meta will be the mage meta. This is the cycle of metas, and it's impossible to satisfy everyone. Be Khazix and change/adapt, it'll be more enjoyable that way

Sincerely, A previous top lane juggernaut/tank main

Morgy MorgyMar 25, 201611 votes

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This is the new meta. Everyone hated the tank/juggernaut meta and so Riot made the assassin/adc meta. The next meta will be the mage meta. This is the cycle of metas, and it's impossible to satisfy everyone. Be and change/adapt, it'll be more enjoyable that way

Sincerely, A previous top lane juggernaut/tank main

you arent understanding what im saying i dont want adcs or junglers anymore i want freedom with bot lane the day I can go blitzcrank annie bot lane and not be considered a troll is the day I long for.

SlythionMar 25, 201612 votes

Ah, so you just want to get rid of meta lanes, not meta champion classes my bad. Unfortunately adcs are kind of important for teamfights :/

MelledoneusMar 25, 20168 votes

Not to mention pushing.

JabberwöckyMar 25, 20167 votes

Yorick Mordekaiser Bot Lane.

You will not push vs this lane.

Chogath Mid.

Malphite Top.

Nidalee Jungle.

This team is full of harass, beef, poke, AoE and CC. This will and can beat meta lanes.

SpoofghoulMar 25, 20167 votes

how about

Top Singed for the most annoying kind of splitpush get a zzrot to boost towertaking power. If teamfight goes wrong just run away with team leaving a rylais enhaced poison trail ur opponents cant chase through.

Mid Sion Tanky and good waveclear with mixed damage and E poke also hard engage when needed. Also very good zoning tools to prevent being engaged on or to peel.

Jungle Malzahar Godlike clears and fast neutral objective teaking with ad or ap ur choice add some space aids to the Minions Sion launches at the opponents for excellent poke to enhance sieging power.

Bot Yorick Gonna need some Ad good at pushing and taking objectives add a zzrot in ur build for extra push power, with your ult and Sions passive makign teamfights very dangerous for your opponents.

Support Zilean To speed up your allies increase the xp gain, and more cc. But, add some bombs to Yoricks ghouls as they auto target enemies giving your team homing bombs. Also apply these bombs to minions Sion shoots along with Malz space aids for even more potent poke, trust me it hurst with aids bomb and sion scream thats 1000 magic base damage. Yet another revive making this teamcomp retarded in teamfights.

Totally non meta no adc yet

Extreme teamfighting Extreme zoning Extreme poking Extreme pushing Tons of waveclear Strong splitpushing Tons of cc Tons of damage Very powerfull sieging Plenty of disengage.

This teamcomp also spikes extremely hard early in the midgame and scales very good into late game.

This teamcomp has almost no weaknesses aside from a mediocre early game except thats not really a weakness but merely being on par with average teamcomps ealry game strength.

The only real weakness being lack of ranged auto attack damage to take down turrets can be made up for with zzrot, splitpush, poke and hard engage.

Athenes LuluMar 25, 20161 votes

Would watch a game of this tbh.

If anyone wants tower destroyers, Malz can always go AD.

Voluug13Mar 25, 20161 votes

malz AD is better jungler that Malz AP anyways.

IcyPepperMar 25, 20164 votes

Unfortunately adcs are kind of important for teamfights

Honestly, I don't mind them too much. Mixed damage is important, and adc's are key to objective control (which is good, because teamwork and stuff. Good stuff).

What I wish could happen is that ADC's can go to other lanes... but other champion classes could go bot lane or the classic duo bot lane was more dynamic. Mordekaiser was Riot's way of experimenting, but I'd like to see items and champions that can duo lane without being an adc.

tl;dr: I'd like to see adc's be able to go to other lanes while simultaneously allowing other champion classes to duo lane and/or go bot lane.

RoodToobMar 25, 20163 votes

Which is why they made ADCs possible to go everywhere else. Now we don't need an ADC bot with someone as Corki mid, or Kindred jungle. The only issue is someone like kindred is not really backline so she/he/them can't go full Damage, they need some tankiness

FortisDominusMar 25, 20161 votes

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This is the new meta. Everyone hated the tank/juggernaut meta and so Riot made the assassin/adc meta. The next meta will be the mage meta. This is the cycle of metas, and it's impossible to satisfy everyone. Be and change/adapt, it'll be more enjoyable that way

Sincerely, A previous top lane juggernaut/tank main

this is a tank meta...

SlythionMar 25, 20161 votes

Did you play last season? Tank have severely fallen off compared to how ADCs (and assassins up until recent nerfs) have improved. There is a reason Rammus and Malphite are seeing more play now, it's because there are constant 2-3 adc's on one team now. To say it's not the adc meta makes me question why adc's are so popular now...

FortisDominusMar 25, 20161 votes

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Did you play last season? Tank have severely fallen off compared to how ADCs (and assassins up until recent nerfs) have improved. There is a reason Rammus and Malphite are seeing more play now, it's because there are constant 2-3 adc's on one team now. To say it's not the adc meta makes me question why adc's are so popular now...

yea its a tank meta. thats why you have junglers running strength of the ages. Its also why there are so many tank top laners and junglers like gragas and tank ekko. AD's are strong, but this is a tank meta. in bronze and silver though there isnt really a meta

Spaceman5pffMar 25, 20161 votes

Junglers run strength of ages because they can stack it quickly, and at midgame you will often have about 2x the hp from that as the amount of damage that thunderlords would give.

Strength of ages allows Gragas to get runic echoes for a stronger midgame, without having a horrid defensive stat curve.

It allows Vi to run a Warrior - Triforce build without being oneshot midgame.

It is not a tank meta just because junglers are running a tank mastery. As a matter of fact, the tank mastery often leads them to opt for less tank-oriented builds.

FortisDominusMar 25, 20161 votes

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Junglers run strength of ages because they can stack it quickly, and at midgame you will often have about 2x the hp from that as the amount of damage that thunderlords would give.

Strength of ages allows Gragas to get runic echoes for a stronger midgame, without having a horrid defensive stat curve.

It allows Vi to run a Warrior - Triforce build without being oneshot midgame.

It is not a tank meta just because junglers are running a tank mastery. As a matter of fact, the tank mastery often leads them to opt for less tank-oriented builds.

im not going to argue my point anymore, different elos means different metas. Like how assassins in plat are not as good as they are in silver and bronze. Its honestly a tank meta, but if you think otherwise then w/e

sp441Mar 25, 20161 votes

Everyone hated the tank/juggernaut meta

You serious? Because there were several threads saying "Y'now, the tank meta is actually kinda cool" in the boards when it was prevalent. And positive from the boards is something rare indeed.

SlythionMar 25, 20161 votes

That's not from my experience. Everyone I knew hated juggernauts

sp441Mar 25, 20161 votes

Tanks and Juggernauts are not the same thing.

SlythionMar 25, 20161 votes

The comment was more aimed at juggernauts, but tanks have fallen off recently to the adc shreds (unless your kit is built against adc's like Malphite or Rammus )

Irelia BotMar 26, 20161 votes

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This is the new meta. Everyone hated the tank/juggernaut meta and so Riot made the assassin/adc meta. The next meta will be the mage meta. This is the cycle of metas, and it's impossible to satisfy everyone. Be and change/adapt, it'll be more enjoyable that way

Sincerely, A previous top lane juggernaut/tank main

We want the ADC is optional but not mandatory meta.

chipndip1Mar 25, 20165 votes

"Everyone has an adc, so I guess it's an adc meta."

"Everyone takes Flash, so I guess it's a Flash meta."

"Everyone uses runes, so I guess it's a runes meta."

"Everyone buys boots, so I guess it's a boots meta."

"Everyone has a support with their adc, so I guess it's a support meta."

Just because there's an adc included on most (if not all) teams doesn't mean adcs are meta-defining.

SlythionMar 25, 20166 votes

The logic is not that everyone has an adc so it must be the adc meta

The logic is everyone has 2-3 adc's so it's the adc meta

chipndip1Mar 25, 20162 votes

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The logic is not that everyone has an adc so it must be the adc meta

The logic is everyone has 2-3 adc's so it's the adc meta

It's not that we have, like it's common or often.

It's that we can. Just because you have the occasional game with a Quinn top or a Graves jg doesn't mean the entire meta is defined by marksmen being able to flex pick occasionally.

KrinuMar 25, 20162 votes

I see Graves, Kog'maw, and Twitch jungle pretty frequently.

Quinn and Graves are both top lane often.

Jihn mid and, hell, even Jihn support is a thing.

Then you have your usual selection of ADCs in the typical bot lane role.

It's sort of silly.

Spaceman5pffMar 25, 20162 votes

ADC's that are Meta / Dominant outside of botlane:

TOP - Quinn Graves JUNGLE - Quinn Graves Kindred . Twitch is playable, yes. I DON'T consider him 'meta'. MID - Ezreal Corki Quinn Varus (varus being an edge case as he definitely isn't suddenly trash, but may or may not come back into heavy favor as a poke mid with the corki nerfs recently and upcoming

chipndip1Mar 25, 20162 votes

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ADC's that are Meta / Dominant outside of botlane:

TOP - JUNGLE - . Twitch is playable, yes. I DON'T consider him 'meta'. MID - (varus being an edge case as he definitely isn't suddenly trash, but may or may not come back into heavy favor as a poke mid with the corki nerfs recently and upcoming

Quinn makes a case in top lane. Kindred aren't even adcs more than they're just jungling marksmen (you don't down towers with Kindred that well...but they down champs and jg monsters), but they ARE really strong right now in the jg, which is fine because they primarily go in the jg. That's about it. (Side note: I mean, NERF Kindred, but it's fine if they can flex jg/bot because they're meant to jg in the first place)

The others are possible flex picks, but they aren't "dominant" at all. Corki has about a 50%-51% win rate in bot and mid (mid doing a bit better than bot) on about equal play rates. Graves is mostly played out of bot lane now entirely, but his win rate in top and jg are about 51% as well. Ezreal doesn't go mid that much at all, and his win rate there is about 46%. Varus isn't dominating shit. Both his win rates and play rates are garbage.

SlythionMar 25, 20162 votes

When a class of champions becomes popular/strong enough to start appearing in several roles in the same game it means they are strong enough to win with it. That usually means they are meta

cmd01Mar 25, 20161 votes

Season 6 shorter games i think were an effort to change the late game ADC meta. It backfired so ADC will be around for quite awhile. The immobile mage update has the potential to change things.

RalimakMar 26, 20161 votes

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"Everyone buys boots, so I guess it's a boots meta."

From Surrender@20:

" WIP Cassiopeia Accidentally added to PBE [THIS WENT TO THE PBE ACCIDENTALLY AND IS WIP / NOT FINISHED.] The current and heavy work in progress iteration of Cassiopeia's mid year mage update went to the PBE accidentally. Please be aware it is unfinished and will be removed from the PBE soon!

Unfortunately her in-game tooltips are busted and do not display right so here's text plus a bit of extra context from Repertoir on reddit. Remember these are not final.

P[assive] - "Cassiopeia gains Movement Speed per level, **but she cannot purchase Boots items.**" "

Boots meta is on it's way out!

JalkanMar 25, 20162 votes

There is freedom in bot lane, you don't have to do it, but having an ADC is the best strategy. There's nothing wrong with this; in all competitive games, a metagame, which dictates the best possible picks and strategies on a competitive level, will eventually emerge.

A LiberalMar 26, 20161 votes

yeah but if you don't do it and do bad you get reported for trolling.

Occams RaiserMar 26, 20161 votes

as well you should. If only reporting did something.

A LiberalMar 26, 20161 votes

yeah but it's still dumb that when I go Cass APC and go 1/7/7 it's because "OMG NOOB CASS ISN'T AN ADC", but If I played sivir and went 1/7/7 I might get some comments that I was bad but nobody would report me. Happens all the time when I play things like Nidalee or Fiddlesticks support. Do good, people love it. Do bad, and I can expect to get reported.

It's a dumb double standard that most people don't even realize that they are doing.

Occams RaiserMar 27, 20161 votes

That is not a double standard. That is a standard. GO OFF META AND GET OWNED..... GET REPORTED. That is only one level of standard.

A LiberalMar 27, 20161 votes

That is a dumb standard lol. Just goes to show you how big of sheep people are.

Slamurai JackMar 25, 20161 votes

We already did that, remember? Mordekaiser . Pros decided they'd rather permaban that shit instead of ever actually dealing with it.

Athenes LuluMar 25, 20161 votes

Nasus The cycle of revolving metas continue. We will die, they will live.

Though I will fear the mage meta because they will also take over botlane...

A LiberalMar 26, 20161 votes

Ahri Anivia Annie Cassiopeia Chogath Fiddlesticks Heimerdinger Karma Lissandra Lux Morgana Orianna Veigar Velkoz Zilean

Are already there sometimes

WadeWilson1337Mar 25, 20161 votes

Wait, youre telling me youre bored of Soraka Lucian vs Ezreal Janna every game?

Spaceman5pffMar 25, 20162 votes

Im just bored of Ezreal item 3025 every game :P

ScarredRose99Mar 25, 20161 votes

Play alistar mid and that should do it

A LiberalMar 26, 20161 votes

Cassiopeia APC FTW

Occams RaiserMar 26, 20161 votes

Thats not how meta works. We aren't THAT sheepish.

A LiberalMar 26, 20161 votes

Except it is...

See: Tank Yi, Tank Fiora, Tank Akali, (Really the entire Titanic+Deadman's thing) Bard Top, Morgana Jg, Riven Jungle, Veigar after DFG, AP Udyr, FQC Mid, Midlane TP, Leona Mid/Jg, Support Trundle, Urgot Mid, ECT. ECT. ECT.

As for actual team composition, I can garuntee the minute they do a duo top and solo bot everyone will be doing it.

KnoyleMar 26, 20161 votes

Tried to change the meta. got Rammus Malphite Nautilus nerfed. Wait til Taric gets more popular. He'll be next.

Stand Alone WolfMar 26, 20161 votes

He doesn't get popular, he gets FABULOUS!

Meep ManMar 26, 20161 votes

Try doing it yourself. Stuff spreads like a virus usually.

SouL1essMar 26, 20161 votes

No, because the only champions that can keep up with the trade and harass presence of ADCs are ADCs.

EpicMusicMar 26, 20161 votes

I sometimes go APC bot instead of ADC, they think im trolling, but they all went silent when i carried them. :) it works, i guess.

anthony786Mar 27, 20161 votes

Me too man. I want a need life. BUT OH WAIT WHATS THIS? ZiLEAN ULT OUT OF NOWHERE, OMG I RESPAWNED waegsdegeryhdeyhaedyh IT'S JUST SO CRAZY I WENT BACK IN TIME AND STARTED MY LIFE OVER. O.M.G. GG I WON Life later nubz, imma be a worst person this life XD