Syllas heal fix

Deliberate Inter·Feb 14, 2019·1 votes·1,297 views

Can we make it ignore grievous wounds? He just loses trades no matter what vs summoner spell , bramble vest or exec, without that he be fine

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iiGazeiiFeb 14, 20192 votes

Are you seriously suggesting that Riot prevent people from itemizing against Sylas and punish them for burning their summoners to kill him? This wouldn't be a "fix", it would be a horrific exception to well-defined game mechanics.

People aren't going to have Ignite for every fight. If they build items like Mortal Reminder or Thornmail, they've just invested a ton of gold into being good against specifically you, when they could have spent that gold on being good against everybody.

If he does need more sustain in trades, there's a million things they would do before making his heal an exception to grievous wounds.

Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

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Are you seriously suggesting that Riot prevent people from itemizing against Sylas and punish them for burning their summoners to kill him? This wouldn't be a "fix", it would be a horrific exception to well-defined game mechanics.

People aren't going to have Ignite for every fight. If they build items like Mortal Reminder or Thornmail, they've just invested a ton of gold into being good against specifically you, when they could have spent that gold on being good against everybody.

If he does need more sustain in trades, there's a million things they would do before making his heal an exception to grievous wounds.

his kit is already weird or we wouldn't have this issue. You could double his healing instead but that would make grievous wounds too important for a non ultimate ability. Just saying it how it is ;)

iiGazeiiFeb 14, 20192 votes

No, you're not "saying it how it is", you're giving a terrible suggestion. Outside of his ult, his kit isn't weird at all. His interaction with grievous wounds isn't the issue. A lot of his sustain comes from healing, therefore anti-healing items are strong against him. Those items are suboptimal compared to what people could be building instead, so they're hurting their overall build just to be good at killing Sylas.

If grievous wounds is too strong of a counter to Sylas, the solution isn't just to make him an exception to it. That's a lazy, cop-out way of going about things. Instead, you give him sustain in other ways. Increase his health and/or resistances. Make the shield on his E stronger, or have it refresh when he pulls himself to an enemy champion. There are so many ways to make his ability to trade better without hinging it entirely on one ability or making his heal ignore the thing that's supposed to counter healing.

Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

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iiGazeiiFeb 14, 20192 votes

"Ad hominem" is an attack on the person, calling your argument terrible is as far from ad hominem as I could get.

Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

You implied there was something wrong with what I was stating, PC up

iiGazeiiFeb 14, 20192 votes

Yes, it's called "debating". It's not a comment on your character to say that you are wrong. Which you are. And it's not an attack on your person to call your idea terrible. Which it is.

Now, if I had said that you are an idiotic, self-righteous buffoon who couldn't argue their way through a revolving door, THAT would have been an ad hominem attack, regardless of how true that statement might have been. But calling your idea wrong, explaining why, and providing alternatives is the basis for healthy debate, the very concept which the rules against ad hominem and other fallacies were created to protect.

Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

Then address the facts before you try to "Debate" lol

iiGazeiiFeb 14, 20192 votes

I did. You just didn't read it.

You claimed that Sylas loses trades and fights because of grievous wounds, and suggested that either his healing be made an exception, or his healing be made large enough to sustain him through grievous wounds.

I told you that that is a terrible idea, and informed you that there are upsides to forcing your opponents to build against you that would be lost if grievous wounds was irrelevant. Instead of making Sylas' heal inconsistent with other heals to reduce how powerful grievous wounds is against him, I argued that it would be better to improve the sustain in his kit that isn't affected by grievous wounds.

I think we're done here.

Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

You talked some nonsense like exeption bad because yes. The real facts are that sylas cannot trade into gievous wounds and that outside of that interaction both sylas heals and gw are fine. End of story.

KFCeytronFeb 14, 20192 votes

You are a new player, and more than half of your threads on Boards so far are complaints that you didn't do as well as you would've liked on your chosen champion, and therefore those champions need massive buffs to "fix" them, like adding a stun to Yi's Q or removing the mana cost from Annie's Q. And then whenever someone tells you it's a bad idea, you scream about "adhom" and condescend like your game knowledge and skill are far above everyone else's.

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Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

I don't even play these champions I am talking about what you on about son?

hrooza dota Feb 14, 20192 votes

i play that champion and say your idea is overpowered and should not happen

sylas is amazing and if anything they should take part of his kit powers and add it to his ultimate

Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

I like the optimism but it's good to be serious too

hrooza dota Feb 14, 20192 votes

(oh he disagreed with me about his champion so i will say he is not serious)

meanwhile you complain about adhoms attacks when you clearly do it now.

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Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

You misunderstand, I never complain and Sylas isn't even my champion. I also never do adhomses

hrooza dota Feb 14, 20191 votes

then what is that post above? you legit said im not serious about my opinion

and i never claimed you are playing sylas i said i played sylas

Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

You have to admit you seem a little trolly, with the emoji and trying to tell me I ain't telling it how it is. I'm not doing adhoms but you could have founded a btter way to try n say smth.

hrooza dota Feb 14, 20192 votes

you can call me trolly if you want since you cant say anything else.

if you have anything to say about my opinion other then claiming im not srs then go ahead

Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

Don't say that I can't say anything else if you ignored the OP and points in this thread. That is another adhom "You can't say anything else". Not the best for discussion at all! Now, if you think you're ready, you're welcome to address the OP or any point, surely you aspire to make a worthy contribution to this thread after spamming so many words?

hrooza dota Feb 14, 20191 votes

i did not ignore, i disagreed with experience and while that experience is not much compared to some its way far higher then yours.

but keep attacking someone who disagree and say they attack you later.

and your op is legit a short (the champ is bad and need fix) and thats it i give a simple (no he is not as a player of him). and you completely ignored it and said im optimism and not srs.

Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

It's called ignoring when you cannot address. You haven't demonstrated that you read the OP or even have any comprehension of what I might have been talking about. We already established that sylas needs to ignore GW because he is losing trades and that Sylas healing and Gw are in a very good place in the entire rest of the game except this one instance. That's just straight facts good lad.

hrooza dota Feb 14, 20191 votes

you did not address anything either.

and you did not address anything in op.

really i wanted a discussion but you fully dismissed me from the start

also theres no We its only you and you know it theres 0 and i mean 0 upvotes and 0 players who agreed with you ,dont troll .

now i will till you this, you wanna discuss? or will you dismiss me more and proof you are just trolling?

if your next respond did not include any point of why sylas need a buff other then (i said so and its a fact!!) then i will not care and ignore you. and no his laning is not a point he is good once he got few levels do to his low cds and strong passive

edit : it look like you are a troll. i will stop you can cry here alone

Deliberate InterFeb 14, 20191 votes

BZZZT wrong I already addressed that Syllas heal needs to ignore GW and why. You aren't gonna hurt my feelings, it's not gonna work. Stop berating

KFCeytronFeb 14, 20192 votes

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I don't even play these champions I am talking about what you on about son?

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