It isnt too good to auto attack on a mage so how about it detonate automatically but in an AOE centered on the area where it was applied. Good skill cap and risk to rwearding cuz the person could make her push if she doesnt want to then what? Its interesting battle of the trategy
KFCeytron8 votesYet another fantastic BG idea, coming hard on the heels of "Yi Q should stun," "Morg ult should stun immediately so targets can't break the tether," and "Annie Q just shouldn't have a mana cost at all."
Deliberate Inter1 votesIt is a fantastic idea.
LeftyRaydy1 votesAnnie's Q doesn't have a mana cost if she last hits with it haha.
Deliberate Inter1 votesI mean to keep that same refund as well as having a cost of 0 so that she could gain mana for spending none and could trade with W or E more if she risked by getting within 600 range of the minions.
KFCeytron1 votes[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B854eM1x,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2019-02-15T16:28:22.867+0000)
I mean to keep that same refund as well as having a cost of 0 so that she could gain mana for spending none and could trade with W or E more if she risked by getting within 600 range of the minions.
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Deliberate Inter1 voteswhy?
KFCeytron1 votes[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B854eM1x,comment-id=00030001000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T17:43:32.020+0000)
why?
You don't think giving Annie 30 (rank 1 Q, no CDR) to 67 (rank 5 Q, max CDR) mana per second just for CSing is a bit much? As well as being able to shove the wave or poke an opponent at 625 range for free, not to mention being able to spam her other spells without mana concerns because she can gain back 360 to 480 mana per wave? You think that would result in a balanced champion with reasonable play rate and win rate?
Deliberate Inter1 votesIf you said it that way, for free, yes i'd think so but at the same time, it isn't really for free. Annie, like you said, needs to enter 625 range and spend a frame (animation/ stun) to cast the Q, this has consequences like damaging the wave / pushing faster, (can help or harm) and also makes her vulnerable especially to longer ranged champions or hyper mobile champions that can get on her. Lots of champs have threats well beyond 625 range and others can sustain through the Qs. In the matchups where annie is comfort she can basically be manaless and skip out o nstuff like lost chapter, but it's not like resourceless champs can't already do that. And this change wouldn't by any means make annie pick or ban, yes, it's a serious buff but annie will be fine after the fact. Say I put this change through, would you really be unable to think of other characters to pick over annie in the mid, top or supp lanes? Let's be honest.
KFCeytron1 votes[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B854eM1x,comment-id=0003000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-17T00:38:43.551+0000)
If you said it that way, for free, yes i'd think so but at the same time, it isn't really for free. Annie, like you said, needs to enter 625 range and spend a frame (animation/ stun) to cast the Q, this has consequences like damaging the wave / pushing faster, (can help or harm) and also makes her vulnerable especially to longer ranged champions or hyper mobile champions that can get on her. Lots of champs have threats well beyond 625 range and others can sustain through the Qs. In the matchups where annie is comfort she can basically be manaless and skip out o nstuff like lost chapter, but it's not like resourceless champs can't already do that. And this change wouldn't by any means make annie pick or ban, yes, it's a serious buff but annie will be fine after the fact. Say I put this change through, would you really be unable to think of other characters to pick over annie in the mid, top or supp lanes? Let's be honest.
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Deliberate Inter1 votesAnnie would still lose lane to champs like lux , ziggs and xerath, she wouldn't have lissandra's utility and couldn't do the whole TF / Taliya thing either. She'd be outscaled to hell by many champs, ad like zed and yasuo could still lane against her, what's the problem?
KFCeytron1 votes[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B854eM1x,comment-id=000300010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-17T03:38:16.360+0000)
Annie would still lose lane to champs like lux , ziggs and xerath, she wouldn't have lissandra's utility and couldn't do the whole TF / Taliya thing either. She'd be outscaled to hell by many champs, ad like zed and yasuo could still lane against her, what's the problem?
> what's the problem?
Deliberate Inter1 votesSoraka support would still win lane against this version of annie btw
KFCeytron1 votes[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B854eM1x,comment-id=00030001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-17T10:42:37.371+0000)
Soraka support would still win lane against this version of annie btw
Nothing would win against an Annie with no mana concerns (barring compensatory nerfs, of course).
Deliberate Inter1 votesTwisted fate could play an uninteractive lane and be totally fine / have better pressure of course. Taliya the same. Anyone who outranges her and naturally counters her now, Lux, Xerath, Karma and Ziggs, we're looking at you. At high levels, Karthus joins that list. Zed would be fine depending on the jungle matchup and annie would still want to max W first against yasuo. It would just be really awful for matchups like katarina into annie but that's fine
KFCeytron1 votes[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B854eM1x,comment-id=0003000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-17T11:24:50.092+0000)
Twisted fate could play an uninteractive lane and be totally fine / have better pressure of course. Taliya the same. Anyone who outranges her and naturally counters her now, Lux, Xerath, Karma and Ziggs, we're looking at you. At high levels, Karthus joins that list. Zed would be fine depending on the jungle matchup and annie would still want to max W first against yasuo. It would just be really awful for matchups like katarina into annie but that's fine
With tons of mana restoration all the time but no free CDR, your "fix" would be partway between blue buff and URF in power, and absolutely broken. Mid Annie currently has a win rate of about 50%. With this change, it'd shoot up to at least 70% if not higher.
Deliberate Inter1 votesNo, it would be somewhat less than blue buff and you're misinterpreting the winrate statistic. Very few matchups would be tilted very heavily in annie's favor that weren't before and almost all of annie's counters would still counter her. After lane phase (except top lane annie) this change doesn't even make a difference. Annie's winrate would probably drop because people who don't play annie would do hype for a little while.
KFCeytron1 votesAnnie's Q doesn't have a mana cost if she last hits with it haha.
But it does if she wants to push the wave or harass.
LeftyRaydy1 votesIf she wants to push she wants to last hit with it for the CD and Mana return. Either way I was just making a "situational statement" as a joke thus the haha.
Deliberate Inter1 votesAnnie Q will cost mana if using it to push the wave as a support or when roaming to someone else's lane when you don't want to take the farm.
The Ecdysiast3 votesIt works fine as it is. And what you're saying is achieved just as easily by staying near your own minions when she attempts to E.
Deliberate Inter2 votesNo, it's something different. First, Lux can place her E differently to clip you and not the minions in many situations and when she doesn't this is still an additional source of damage that will burst the wave down faster than the E alone ;)
The Ecdysiast2 votes[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B854eM1x,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T15:34:11.443+0000)
No, it's something different. First, Lux can place her E differently to clip you and not the minions in many situations and when she doesn't this is still an additional source of damage that will burst the wave down faster than the E alone ;)
That just gives her extra damage overall. There's no downside.
Deliberate Inter1 votesIt's a rework and a buff but you are wrong there is a downside in that it gives her a more vulnerable lane phase and it can mess with her early last hits or her adcs if she supps. ;)
The Ecdysiast2 votes[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B854eM1x,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T16:05:34.314+0000)
It's a rework and a buff but you are wrong there is a downside in that it gives her a more vulnerable lane phase and it can mess with her early last hits or her adcs if she supps. ;)
No, no it doesn't. You're just wrong. At this point I can't even tell whether or not you're trolling.
Deliberate Inter1 votesYou are wrong. That's like saying urgot passive doesn't force him to push the lane. Aoe moves damage minions and that causes them to die faster, idk what's so hard to understand about that but trust me, it's a big deal.
DrCyanide3 votesThe reason Lux, Xerath, and Ziggs all have auto attack passives is to encourage them to get into range so their lane opponents can retaliate. It's a balance decision.
Deliberate Inter1 votesthey are mages not marskmen
DrCyanide3 votesYes, but they're artillery mages, which typically operate outside of the range of everyone else. To make it more fair for everyone else, there needs to be an incentive to get closer every once in a while - hence their passives make them get into auto attack range.
If Riot removes those auto attack passives then they'll have to nerf the champions in other ways, likely in mana costs or cooldowns so that they can't use spells as often and have to use auto attacks more.
Deliberate Inter1 votesI mean mages kinda use spells so it should be a spell passive ESP if it does magic damage
G0blinSlay3r1 votesEvery time riot reworks. i am going to ask for my rp back on my skins.
Deliberate Inter2 votesDo they have a precedent of doing that?
G0blinSlay3r1 votes[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B854eM1x,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-15T15:34:58.187+0000)
Do they have a precedent of doing that?
did i buy the original or the rework? No i bought the originals.
btw did not -1 u
Deliberate Inter1 votesoh yeah I see what u mean thne amd maek sense
JuiceBoxP1 votesShe does not need a rework. imo she is one of the more balanced champions right now and she has her place.
Deliberate Inter2 votesIf we don't want to fix ap itemization then she needs this instead.
bluefire mark 21 votesLux r procs her passive anyway. So who cares.
Deliberate Inter1 votesyou didn't real the OP this is a rework
bluefire mark 22 votesWhat...? If you're saying i didn't read yes i did. And I'm saying she doesn't need one since r procs passive anyway so she doesn't need it.
Deliberate Inter1 voteslux r procs it only one time, not all 6
bluefire mark 21 votes6? She has three procs. Q hit then proc, e hit then proc, r procs them both and applies its own. And r is insanely low cd. So technicay you only need one. And it makes it so early game she can cs better and do more damage when abilities are down.
Deliberate Inter1 votesQ Q W W E E E E E (5 peeps) r r r r r and r r r r r so its more like 30 if we teqhniqcla
Saevum1 votesA warranty to her passive kills the idea of the passive being proc'd manually. It's function is to deal damage. You can't make it that free on a mage like Lux. Otherwise she would be nerfed immediately.
Deliberate Inter1 votesOh come now, Lux is skill shot based.
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesOh boy, again? Really...? At level 22?
Deliberate Inter1 votesyes
