A lot of bad experiences may be due to lack of support mains

Gene Freakz··4 votes·936 views

We all know by now how dynamic queue works - jungle is hard to get even if it is your primary and choosing fill or support (primary or secondary) lands one the support role an overwhelming majority of the time. This has led to support being a highly demanded role that needs to be filled in order for queue to be achieved. For support mains, this is mana from heaven; it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Queue times are rarely over one minute and the people playing the other roles are, for the most part, comfortable playing them.

Let's jump back to solo queue in season 5 and back. Support mains still found it relatively easy to land the role but it is even easier in season 6 and does not demand as much time spent in queue. Oftentimes in solo queue there may have not been a person who was comfortable with the support role and everyone spammed mid and top and pick order was king, leaving last pick to play support in these scenarios.

This is what is happening I think in many games now. A person will play support even if they are not comfortable with it simply because they want to play and they want to play now; they don't want to deal with 10 minute+ queue times. Alright I'll admit it I'm pretty much a support main. I sometimes mix it up and for a while I strictly queued as jungle and mid but I have seen more success with the support role.

Here is what I have seen: The enemy support is often leveled much lower than me. I am gold 4 right now and I see a lot of support opponents who are ranked silver 3, 4, or 5. In the grand scheme of things this may not make much of a difference but you can see the subtle differences in knowledge and gameplay. This could be because support gets people queued faster and people duo queue with a friend (who may or may not be a support main) just to get in a game. The support role is vital and when only one component of the bot lane is weaker, it shows.

Another thing I see is people who are ranked around the same level but do not play support that much. In looking at their match history they play more mid, top, or jungle and not a lot of bot lane. In these instances a person may not fully understand what goes into the early laning phase. Sometimes, yes, it is very boring and I can tell this because they will get trigger happy and jump the gun. In this season that hurts because it is very easy to snowball after one mistake.

There are games I lose that just go bad. I mess up or another lane will feed early and it is hard to bounce back. Most of the challenging games I see though are when I face another support main who is ranked similarly. I can tell they have mechanics and they understand the fundamentals of the early laning bot phase.

I see a lot of threads about how dynamic queue is awful, hard to climb, etc. While there are many, many other factors, I think this is a vital one that comes into play. Supports keep carries alive and can make the difference in that last bit of health or that little extra cc that wins games. Without proper support knowledge, games become harder to win and more frustrating when the support role is not strong.

16 Comments

RookPusher2 votes

I hate to be the angry guy here, but as a support main, we don't have a lot of support mains out there because they're complained at.

No one wants to play support, but they do want to tell you to play support No one wants to play support, but they do want to tell you the champ to play No one wants to play support, but they do want to tell you you're the reason their feeding No one wants to play support, but they do want you to ward while they don't No one wants to play support, but they do want to tell you what summoners to take (I'm taking TP, gfy) No one wants to play support, but they do want you to not take CS or kills

I had item 3097 once, and was asked to "stop taking minions." - And this is the kind of stupidity support mains have to put up with. This idiot won't play the role, they won't research the role, and they WILL scream at me about something. But they won't play support. There's a cultural perception that Support gets carried, that support is easy, that support isn't fun, that support is boring. There was some idiot all over the forums 6 to 12 months ago posting "Supports get carried" all the time. And people upvoted him. So frankly, I'm glad everyone's waiting all day. It's apt punishment. You should suffer.

A famous scientist, and a well respected former President both said "Do the hard thing." Stop taking the easy path. Well here's something you math-fiends don't recognize. The hard thing isn't the most skillfully demanding all the time, but the role that takes patience, abuse, foresight, and cunning. And that's support. You don't get glory, you get insults. But you affect the game more than everyone except the jungle. You turn fights, you prevent kills, you secure triple kills.

And Riot hasn't really been there for us either. 4 full seasons before we started getting the obvious stuff? the Gold Income item? That tells me that no one at Riot plays support that frequently. item 2045 is still a monster waste of money. And a lot of supports have been saying "Why don't you make SS trees like you did for item 1041 " and we got radio silence.

That's such an obvious, no-brainer move and nothing. I mean with machete as the model, they don't even need to invest that much time. The concept has been created and they have data. But we're not going to get anything because if we're being honest, they've communicated through actions that we're an after thought. So here's to Season 10 when they'll shrug and say "I guess we'll give the supports something?"

The playerbase did this to themselves. And I'm glad they're suffering. The next time you have a support on your team who's doing anything other than feeding, do yourself and the game a favor and kiss their ring. Or say nothing at all.

Gene Freakz1 votes

The support role is a lot like playing an offensive lineman in football. Just looking at what they do looks well... boring. They are essentially sumo wrestlers that are pitted up against another opponent in an attempt protect the quarterback (carry). I remember in high school a lineman came to talk to us for career day and he said this was what one of his coaches told him: "You won't get the girls or much recognition, but your job is extremely important for the success of the game". When one is watching a football game they often watch the ball and fail to notice the hard work of the lineman (supports) playing their hearts out so that the other players can hopefully score.

RookPusher1 votes

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The support role is a lot like playing an offensive lineman in football. Just looking at what they do looks well... boring. They are essentially sumo wrestlers that are pitted up against another opponent in an attempt protect the quarterback (carry). I remember in high school a lineman came to talk to us for career day and he said this was what one of his coaches told him: "You won't get the girls or much recognition, but your job is extremely important for the success of the game". When one is watching a football game they often watch the ball and fail to notice the hard work of the lineman (supports) playing their hearts out so that the other players can hopefully score.

I feel you, baby. I'm from New England.

Moses Broseph1 votes

People also don't want to play it because they don't find it fun. Putting a shield on somebody or setting up a kill is not as exciting as getting the kill (for some not all). There are support roles like Trundle who can initiate fights and end up carrying, but I don't see a lot of that type of support.

ComeOnAndSlamJam1 votes

This is why I don't play Janna or Soraka in a nutshell.

It's boring as hell to spam shields and heals and try to peel a little. Honestly it's not that good in a meta that involves early, aggressive tower diving anyway.

Magnum Mack1 votes

Morgana, Zyra, and Sona would like to talk about carrying games as a support. Blitz and Brand may also have some words on the matter afterwards about fight initiating and gaining nice advantages.

OurLestrade1 votes

Part of the reason I'm eager for the Taric rework setting him up as more of a fighter. Being able to rough and tumble with all the Dubstep Linkin Park listening montage making Zeds, Yasuos, Rivens, Fioras and all those wankers as a support has always been a wet dream of mine :P

dbddbs1 votes

Peeling almost seems like a lost art. I see so many games won because the support has excellent peeling skills. It takes practice to execute thresh flay properly or Janna tornado. I see so many Jannas just spam their tornado down the middle of the lane [zombie-brand-facepalm]

OurLestrade1 votes

It's funny when people spam about how good you are at peeling when you're just doing your thing. They you realise just how bad so many people are at it D:

TekkenPlayer1 votes

Support is kindve becoming a meta in itself. All it is.. is just CC, Shield, Heal... and then there are those obnoxious Brand Annie Zyra supports but they aren't as popular..

Riot does not want supports to go anywhere else but bot lane, and generally the 3 categories of peel, cc, and heals are overdone and cliche..I kinda like the taric ult direction but damn get some actual unique skills like lantern, bard ultimate or whatever my fabulous man is getting

ComeOnAndSlamJam1 votes

I'm a support main, but I kind of play support as a "fuck around and do whatever you want, but buy Eye of the Equinox and keep the enemy support/jungler off the ADC's nuts for at least the first 10 minutes of the game" role. That makes it a lot more fun (and really opens up the champion pool)

OurLestrade1 votes

Since I'm a support main it's all I ever get, so I'm queued against people who I can support well with and against. But if I ever get my hands on another role (AKA: 1/20 times) I get absolutely rinsed by the people that main it :l Stuck in this painful cycle of being unable to really learn anything else.

Gene Freakz1 votes

When I would do well as Jungle or mid I rarely ever saw my support. It was like they felt they needed to be attached to their adc at all times. One strategy is supporting those who are carrying well to snowball them (and yourself) even more. I felt all alone without anyone's help. That is why I prefer support. TBH it is easy in the department of decision making. I am not usually deciding which lane to push or when to take dragon or baron. But, I adequately keep my team alive and set up plays so that they can do well. I would rarely see supports ever setting up decent plays as jungle or mid and they didn't shield me or peel for me when they could have.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Pretty spot on, I've gone back to top lane because of the snowballing. Riot clearly never playtested the effects thoroughly enough, supports that do slightly worse, end up several levels & items behind. Babysitting in bottom lane is already a tedious task, but with the physical damage buffs across the board in preseason, it made mages near impossible to keep up both in mid lane & bot lane. Aram feels vaguely better because you might get lucky and your opponent gets a champion they don't know how to play; but still see matchmaking system slighting people everywhere, bronze & platinums playing together on opposing sides, seriously? The game is already borderline unplayable from balance, and now skill-sets are getting skewed too.

Gene Freakz2 votes

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supports that do slightly worse, end up several levels & items behind

I shed a tear for this one. It is hard enough scraping together every last bit of gold for the same essential items every game. When behind this becomes very, very hard. You can't simply make up for it by farming more. You just have to wait and hope to get an assist somewhere. Plus, being behind usually means I am super squishy and cannot position well in order to help my team out without being bursted down.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Same here, supports got more items to help them, but when preseason hit they may as well have just reverted all the support buffs. Removal of assist sprees, shutdown gold was cut down immensely, and cost of luxury yet needed items skyrocketed. I've pulled away from it since feeling useless 3/4 of the game is frustrating, and only getting to build the same 2 items is insanely dull. [zombie-nunu-bummed]

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