Right now if Fiora spots a vital that's facing her, the vital stays facing her even if the champion turns around. This is annoying and makes certain vitals just non-outplayable by the opponent. Instead make it so the vital changes according to the direction the champion is facing. So if a vital is spotted on the front of my champion, if I turn around the vital is then turned away from her.
Shahamut2 votesThis is a two edged sword as well, you see the nice thing about vitals always being on the same side is that it is easier to keep track of and just as easy to deny. for instance, hugging that one wall no matter which way you are facing is denying her the vital.
It is simpler and easier on both parties if it doesn't move with facing. This change would benefit Fiora more than it would deny her.
EDIT: Also, this is mostly applicable to lane phase since its the dueling stage. Outside of lane, it would make little difference. In lane, its easy to deal with her vital spots:
Bad vital showing? Walk off screen and back on. Next one spawns opposite. ezpz
i cant move wtf1 votesI see it as having more options. On the one hand you can bait her dash much more easily and deny the vital without a wall. Also you have 2x more opportunities to hug a nearby wall since you can change the vitals location with your champions orientation.
Shahamut1 votestrue, but then you also can't retreat without exposing that vital. Locking you in place or moving toward her.
i cant move wtf1 votesYou can if it spawns on your front side.
Shahamut1 votesAs a general rule, consistency is better. In this case, it continues to be true in my opinion.
i cant move wtf1 votesIt would still be a 50/50 so consistency stays the same, just more interaction and outplay options for the opponent.
Shahamut1 votesIt adds as many situations that say "screw you" as it does outplay potential. It would be moving too much to accurately keep track of, and be worse overall for consistency.
Its on my left, great, I can play to the left side of the lane and force fiora to have to step farther out of position to proc my vital.
That doesn't happen with the vital moving. Moving to the left would put the vital behind you as you move, sure, but if you try to adjust to the right even at all, say, to cs, you now expose the vital. Yuck.
It offers more opportunities for Fiora, not her opponents.
i cant move wtf1 votesNot really since you're always able to control which way your champ is facing. You can fake to go in for cs and turn at the last second, cucking her.
Kneelbeforezoth1 votesi get where you are coming from but from a stand point of coding do you realize how difficult that is to do? Not to mention the bugs that will plague that almost every patch!
Critmaster Garen1 votesi get where you are coming from but from a stand point of coding do you realize how difficult that is to do? Not to mention the bugs that will plague that almost every patch!
its not even a matter of coding. this game doesnt have turn speeds. it would be 10 times easier to keep turning and denying her that vital than for her to walk around you and get it.
it doesnt work.
i cant move wtf1 votesYeah and trynd can never land his W...
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Yeah and trynd can never land his W...
tryns w is ranged with a short casting anmation. he doesnt have to walk around you and hit a specific side on your hitbox with an auto attack to get it.
pretty sure hed never hit a w, if he was required to.
i cant move wtf1 votesShe has a dash to gap close. It would be even less of a prediction than a thresh hook.
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She has a dash to gap close. It would be even less of a prediction than a thresh hook.
the dash still has a decent animation time attached. it would just be too easy to instantly turn when she dashes, pretty much every single time.
a mechanic like this would work in a game like dota, that has limited turn speeds, but i really dont think its going to work here.
and she only has one dash available for her ult. she can position herslef and get one of them with her q, but usually has to walk around you to trigger the 3 other vitals on her r.
i cant move wtf1 votesYea it would mean Fiora has to make more predictions. At least when she's successful you'd feel like you legit got outplayed.
i cant move wtf1 votesNot difficult at all. You realize Draven's axe spawn is based on the direction he's facing? It's trivial.
Rockm Sockm1 votesThat change honestly makes it easier for fiora to chase you down.
i cant move wtf1 votesI think it gives you more options. Otherwise it's just a 50/50 if the vital spawns facing her or not.
HalcyonDweller1 votesSeems legit, it might make things a little too complicated but overall I think this is a cool idea.
i cant move wtf1 votesAgreed. It makes things a bit more complicated but it at least turns Fiora's dueling into a dance for both players which i think would be cool.
HalcyonDweller1 votesIt would have to have a rate of turning though, as others have discussed in this thread. We wouldn't want it to be impossible for Fiora to hit, because that would take the fun out of it for her even more than its existing iteration takes the fun out for the opponents.
i cant move wtf1 votesSo cass ult and trynd E are impossible to hit? It would be a battle of predictions and reflexes tbh. I think a champion who's theme is "the best duelest" should have that kind of counterplay for opponents.
HalcyonDweller3 votesMaybe, I think that in theory it seems fair but in practice it's possible it would overdo it, since those are single moments while this is a very core component to Fiora's playstyle.
I like the idea and I hope Riot tests something like it, but I'm keeping my reservations about it until we can prove that it would work as intended while also not taking too much fun out of the character.
i cant move wtf1 votesFair assessment.
HalcyonDweller1 votes[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Thanks for discussing this with me!