Elise Buffs? [Poll]

I'd say the itemization changes and the jungle changes were a buff to her. She can build Juggernaut -> Haunting Guise and Sorceror Shoes now, instead of having to get early AP, so she'll be much more durable now while doing similar damage and having Tenacity.

In addition, the jungle camps hit much harder now, so her ability to have spiderlings tank for her will leave her with much more health to work with than most junglers. This gives her the ability to perform early gank or invade the enemy jungler and kill them while they are low on health from their first clear.

How about we wait a couple weeks to see how the new jungle works out before asking for nerfs or buffs?

Problem with Spiderling tanking is that the dragon and buffs both do AOE damage now and absolutely devastate her spiderlings.

Otherwise, I do feel the jungle changes were good for her. Chilling Smite really helps her ganking (slow them to make landing cocoons easier, or slow them just after changing to spider to keep them around longer), and the lengthened spawn timers are good for her ability to focus on invasions or ganking (since she's less likely to lose out on time clearing camps), and the AOE smite deals with her somewhat slowish clearing speed. She can easily kill the river crab in a rotation without giving it a chance to run away (lowering the risk of it fleeing right into an enemy), and her spiderlings and the sustain from her W give her a pretty healthy first 3 camps.

NB3 mentioned it on stream; Itemization is better for her, but there's no conservation stacks so Elise gets less gold and becomes less relevant later. Other junglers can just farm or have ways of staying relevant without many items, but Elise usually needs to gank in order to stay relevant in the game; she's not really a farming jungler.

The new jungle and itemization changes are pretty beneficial to her, but she still lacks any actual strengths that make her unique. She doesn't bring much to the team and I feel needs some compensation to become as good as she once was. Not to the point where she was overpowered of course, but to the point where she can definitely be that threat everyone fears if the person using her actually knows how to use her.

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Elise is getting a buff :'D Just 25 increased max damage to her Q's at all ranks, but hey, it's a start. Riot's finally noticed Elise isn't in a good place.

That's to monsters, but that's not bad...

She does % health damage and scales horribly with AP. Even with that % health damage, Elise becomes nothing more than a glorified support after the early game. Her job is to jump in and exterminate those low health or squishy units. She can't do that very well anymore or there are just champions that do that better than her.

The Spider Queen has nothing that she really excels in anymore and that's a big problem.

Pretty sure they won't change her damage, because lets be real, full tank will still do quite a bit all things considered. As long as buffs are being talked about, maybe she should have her E nerf reverted?

After the damage nerfs, she still did fine clearing and fighting champs. After the E cooldown change happened, you just maxed E instead of W, and since you were probably building tank anyway, it didn't make much of a difference. But after the Cacoon width and especially the Rappel range nerfs, she felt so weak and risky to play.

E revert... that's all I want

They should buff her base health or give her some resistances on her spider form. She's played as a tanky initiator but I don't think her stats allow her to function that way.

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I just want a buff to full AP elise.

lol