Who is ready for Azir/Kayle APC bot lane?

Jigglypuff·Jan 11, 2018·8 votes·1,643 views

Blood Boil (W) [New Effect] Now additionally increases AP by 40% for both targets Max: 40/60/80/100/120 AP

47 Comments

ExecutionerJan 11, 201811 votes

Oh my lord, wtf is this shit.

JigglypuffJan 11, 20188 votes

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Oh my lord, wtf is this shit.

They've opened the meta

ExecutionerJan 12, 20183 votes

A shitty meta. Because forever banned.

AhristocatsJan 12, 20186 votes

Mordekaiser he's comming for you

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ExecutionerJan 12, 20185 votes

I didn't even think of morde. Jesus please to god, no please. I am nightmares again.

Ariel the CruelJan 12, 20184 votes

Janna You called?

Athenes LuluJan 12, 20184 votes

As a Lulu main, I'm not even mad.

I still remember the one time I was supporting a Kayle APC botlane and post 6 was just a straight-up massacre because no one could kill us, and carried the game from there.

DivewingJan 12, 20188 votes

Summoner name checks out

Done25Jan 12, 20184 votes

You know what will be even worse? Trying to out run a Blood Boiled Annie who has been AFK farming for the first 20 min of the game. Enjoy the incoming QWR incineration. <3

My Waifu VanillaJan 12, 20184 votes

It's just going to make Kayle/Azir mid + Nunu jungle have synergy and nothing really else. Both champions don't function as well bot lane even with a steroid from the jungler.

Sire HippingtonJan 12, 20183 votes

I don't think that will really make them good bot...Instead i see them mid with a junglenunu running in circles around them.

DivewingJan 12, 20182 votes

<Grins maliciously>

[sg-syndra]

Plastic 5 ADCJan 12, 20182 votes

Now Syndra really needs to just press R, instead of Q and R

General Esdeath Jan 12, 20181 votes

Where's your profile icon from?

DivewingJan 12, 20181 votes

Super Galaxy icon

General Esdeath Jan 12, 20181 votes

Ah ok thanks

NoPaxtJan 11, 20181 votes

As a support main, I am, I hate when every lane is AD and I'm expected to be the AP source as a support...

JigglypuffJan 11, 20181 votes

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As a support main, I am, I hate when every lane is AD and I'm expected to be the AP source as a support...

Just pick brand/malz/Vel'koz/Zyra you'll do so much damage, nothing else will matter because the other team will have so much armor you will melt them lol...

VeganScoutJan 11, 20181 votes

Maybe ziggs bot will be a thing, corki too.

VolphiJan 11, 20181 votes

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The steam lifeJan 12, 20181 votes

they werent much

VolphiJan 12, 20182 votes

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The steam lifeJan 14, 20181 votes

But she gets a buff afterwords so? and changing her ad growth by 0.6 isnt gonna do much considering her high win rate.

VolphiJan 14, 20181 votes

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The steam lifeJan 17, 20181 votes

Because you play kayle doesn’t mean you’re part of the 300iq team they’re just as good as everyone else. And considering how easy she is having a 52.5% wr in plat plus is nuts. That nerf might take 2.5% of her wr off which leaves her balanced. And yes wr is a huge measure of balance.

Spank the FoxJan 12, 20187 votes

Lmao they’re buffs from level 5 onwards, are you high?

VolphiJan 12, 20184 votes

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DauntJan 12, 20181 votes

She doesn't have to invest in CDR as much as she needed to now. She can go for other stats. The nerfs don't actually hit her as hard.

VolphiJan 12, 20182 votes

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DivewingJan 12, 20181 votes

God forbid Kayle had a window of weakness where you could actually hope to win a trade against her

VolphiJan 12, 20181 votes

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DivewingJan 12, 20181 votes

I'm just implying that having a 3 second window (which is even more optimistic considering you are slowed for half of it) to get CS before being zoned off for 10 seconds isn't fun to deal with, let alone even CONSIDERING to go in for a trade.

VolphiJan 13, 20181 votes

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DivewingJan 13, 20181 votes

Funny you mention the Camille matchup because that was the last one I played.

The issue here is that you are simply looking at everything as is on paper.

I can’t instantly blink to melee range of her just because her enhanced AA bs is on cooldown, it requires actually moving there. Considering until this point I am staying out of range so I don’t get dicked on, that’s exasperated further. So that supposed 6 seconds is now down to 5 (at best assuming some form of dash/jump can be used).

I then have to actually commit to the trade, likely another 3 seconds. This brings us down to 2 seconds. I’m then smacked with a huge ass slow, and am still slowed while the ability comes back up, while you speed yourself up and heal part of my trade, so in the end, it’s been an even trade or worse for me.

For a champion that has a case of “I’m 6 now, you can’t outplay a 2+ seconds of invulnerability and targeted damage unless you have help”, that is not enough.

So forgive me if I’m unsympathetic that you may struggle SLIGHTLY in the early game.

KaìjuJan 11, 20181 votes

I actually really like that. Pointing this out, it's exactly what you guys want. If this new direction of boosting mages works, we could see a new class of supports that work to boost AP champions and make new carries viable in a duo lane.

JigglypuffJan 11, 20181 votes

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I actually really like that. Pointing this out, it's exactly what you guys want. If this new direction of boosting mages works, we could see a new class of supports that work to boost AP champions and make new carries viable in a duo lane.

Would be interesting to have supports that support apcs and not just adcs

KaìjuJan 12, 20181 votes

Just make mages with higher scaling and shitty base, with mechanics such as "leveling this spell gives passive bonus damage to minions" to make CSing easier in lane and allow them a way to actually clear wave without running out of mana. Taking this new approach could shake things up in a good way.

Ultra Rapid FyreJan 11, 20181 votes

veigar / nunu? hello 1 shots all across the board

Plastic 5 ADCJan 12, 20181 votes

Nunu and any AP burst

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NyarlathοtepJan 12, 20181 votes

i highly doubt it will affect bot lane that much.

ProfDrDeathJan 12, 20181 votes

This. This change won't fix the reason APs don't go into a duo lane - the loss of XP from sharing them.

Friendly RamJan 12, 20181 votes

Yummy. What about twisted twat being back?

Plastic 5 ADCJan 12, 20181 votes

God no

JaspersJan 12, 20181 votes

I always wondered why a APC bot lane isn't a think anyway. Azir has the mobility to avoid ganks, damage and controls the wave. A nice poke support and you are golden. It gives Azir more freedom to farm, plus allows heavy ad damage to go mid and jungle without worry of lack of AP on the team. Azir's playstyle is similar to an ADC anyway, staying back and damage over time so... It would be at least interesting to see.