Riot, Will Syndra see some love in the mage update ?

GuillotineCutter·Mar 13, 2016·31 votes·24,549 views

She is pretty immobile ... You guys planned on giving her a new passive and all, but the changes never went through...

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RiotReav3Mar 14, 201619 votes

Syndra is a VERY strong candidate for a smaller Twitch/Lucian level update

NoraverMar 14, 20162 votes

She has plenty of potential, but also a very one-trick pony kind of playstyle.

Would love to see some neat things like having her fully-leveled Q drag people closer to it (ie mini Diana E/Viktor W); She IS a gravity mage, after all. She just needs her fantasy stressed a little more. Nothing about her kit really screams "gravity/force", other than what her spells look like. Could turn her spells into rocks and easily say "Yup, this is a boulder mage", with no real difference.

ElewdMar 14, 20163 votes

Shes not actually a gravity mage, shes more of a conpressed matter mage. at least thats how i have always seen it, she compresses matter into a solid state and uses that to her own whim.

BiscuitWitchMar 14, 20162 votes

Compressed energy, you mean?

compresses matter into a solid state

makes no sense otherwise

LankPantsMar 14, 20162 votes

Compressed energy, you mean?

You can compress other states of matter into a solid state. Heavily increasing the pressure on a liquid, gas or theoretically even a plasma (although the energy required to do so would be absurd) will force it into a solid state.

Compression of energy doesn't really make sense because the form of energy that can theoretically be compressed into matter is light, which is clearly not what she's using.

I think if you want to use compression as an explanation compression of matter into a singularity (which is what I think Elewd meant anyway) is the best.

LauchmelderMar 14, 20164 votes

My question though: Does this matter?

*Badum-ts

LevyathynMar 14, 20161 votes

Earthbender Syndra confirmed.

Solari FortuneMar 14, 20161 votes

Was it like with Twitch's Q getting reset and Luc's Culling changes?

RiotReav3Mar 14, 20166 votes

Yup!

When we do these class updates we look at the class as a whole. We will be doing changes to many champions but the "big 6" just had changes big enough to require art/animation changes as well.

SirShaggyMar 14, 20161 votes

I think if her passive was updated to have a use before she fully maxed an ability or she was given some kind of safety like a haste she'd be fine... Maybe buff her early game q damage a bit.

AshenvallMar 14, 20162 votes

Syndra could be in the "big 7" X) I teased you sorry

ReavMar 15, 20162 votes

Sometimes I wonder did you called yourself "Reav3" because someone took the original "Reav" shame on them!

ElewdMar 14, 20164 votes

I still stand by my original statement that She should be given cassiopeia's %ap passive thing but apply it to when syndra maxes a skill t get the bonus effect + like 5% bonus ap. so you get 20% naturally scaling in the game because i view her as the ultimate threat once she hits level 16

BisaknospMar 14, 20161 votes

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I still stand by my original statement that She should be given cassiopeia's %ap passive thing but apply it to when syndra maxes a skill t get the bonus effect + like 5% bonus ap. so you get 20% naturally scaling in the game because i view her as the ultimate threat once she hits level 16

that would make her a better late game champ i like the idea of that since she falls off pretty hard

Solari FortuneMar 14, 20161 votes

Well where is she suppose to be strong then? Cause Riot hit her early game bullying pretty hard

PluckyToonMar 15, 20161 votes

I don't think Syndra should get some %ap nor cdr passiv thing like Cassiopea, honestly, it might be a good passive on Syndra but on Cassio it's kinda unoticable, why wouldn't be the same for our lovely Dark Soverign ?

ElewdMar 15, 20161 votes

Syndra's whole fantasy is to max your skill and get an insane burst of more damage, right now that only applies to her Q, the other 2 abilities don't give that same feeling when they are maxed that she got stronger. Giving her 5% bonus ap per skill maxed (so 20% at level 18) she gets a huge burst of more damage, this causes her midgame-lategame to become incredibly strong as she continues to scale. I dont think she should get cdr, i just want her to get the %ap boost, Syndra's passive is lackluster at the moment and this small change should help fill the gap and turn her into the ultimate "fear my level 9 power spike"

MiraweaveMar 14, 20161 votes

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Syndra is a VERY strong candidate for a smaller Twitch/Lucian level update

Has any thought been given to reworking her ult?

I've always been annoyed at how Syndra's ult doesn't really live up to what her kit's supposed to be. She's got these cool abilities built around manipulating her spheres, and then her ult has nothing to do with how she positions them and is just a massive nuke.

I'd love to see her with an ultimate that actually cares about her sphere's positioning, since that's kind of what her kit's about.

Her current ult feels like it doesn't fit in with what her kit should be about. Imagine if Orianna's ult was just ground targeted instead of targeting around her ball. That's how Syndra's ult feels in context of the rest of her kit.

Captain AishiMar 14, 20162 votes

about a year ago i had an idea that her ult would merge all her active spheres in front of her and create a black hole moving forward in front of her, and it would 'suck in' (dunno how to implement that mechanic) minions and champions (the more spheres you merge, the bigger the singularity) and explode at the end of it's trajectory, dealing damage based on how many spheres+enemies were in it

p.s. By 'suck in' i mean that you are slowed and dragged towards the center of it, you can escape it if you're at the edge, but if you get dragged into the center you are 'absorbed' and become untargettable as you are carried to the end of the trajectory and take the explosion's damage

and now aurelion sol's Q looks alot like that old idea i had XD

ShavidarMar 14, 20161 votes

Thank you! :*)

SpiritriserMar 15, 20161 votes

I hate to piggyback, but is Anivia being considered as well?

RiotReav3Mar 15, 20161 votes

All low mobility Mages are being considered for small updates, though we won't get to them all.

Neo CyrusMar 15, 20161 votes

Any rough estimate of when we'll see some mage changes on the PBE? And serious question, is anything going to be done about the terrible AP itemization and their absurd costs?

RiotReav3Mar 15, 20162 votes

I'm not sure what the final result of the costs will be, but the systems group will be adding and tweaking existing Mage items for the update. It won't be a as huge as the Marksmen Item update though.

Neo CyrusMar 16, 20161 votes

Either way it's good to know that at least they're being looked at. Thank you.

AgiLagiMar 15, 20161 votes

How about Rumble? Iguess he needs some changes/buffs as a toplaner.

AshenvallMar 15, 20161 votes

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How about Rumble? Iguess he needs some changes/buffs as a toplaner.

Wrong thread for rumble.....

Sohail316Mar 15, 20161 votes

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Syndra is a VERY strong candidate for a smaller Twitch/Lucian level update

what do you mean about twitch/lucian

RiotReav3Mar 15, 20161 votes

I was referring to the small changes made to twitch, Ezreal, and Lucian that we did for the Marksmen update.

SkevMar 15, 20161 votes

Her passive could be changed into something like she absorbs dark energy as she roams around (or perhaps when things die or something, so it isn't just a ludens replica) and once you have her passive charged then all of your abilities will have an extra effect on 1st. Like a mix between Sona and Karma.

AshenvallMar 15, 20161 votes

@o17 Skev I've done this: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/hKwhWtBx-for-fun-i-improved-syndra-spells

runedaraMar 13, 20164 votes

She needs a better passive. Until level 9 you don't have one.

bm only or i afkMar 13, 20163 votes

syndra is honestly fine :/

AshenvallMar 13, 20163 votes

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syndra is honestly fine :/

Obviouly not, counter by fizz, hecarim, zed, talon, zac, jarvan, graves, nocturne without counterplay. She has 47-50% winrate in diamond, 46-47% in platinum. Isn't good. Even if you carry with syndra, jump on her and she die.

Valderis VandalaMar 13, 20166 votes

"jump on her and she die"

Thats true of almost any mage. She just has it slightly harder. This is why good positioning and use of team mates is important, especially with a champion like Syndra, but once you understand that she becomes very good. But hey I just play ARAM so I don't have to deal with a laning phase.

IAMS4T4NMar 13, 20168 votes

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jump on her and she die.

damn just like Annie Cassiopeia Lux Malzahar Heimerdinger Orianna Zyra Viktor Velkoz Veigar

EvewynnMar 13, 201610 votes

Heimerdinger?

You mean jump on him and YOU die. (PTSD triggers)

FROScounteredMar 14, 20161 votes

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jump on her and she die.

damn just like

all of these guys have a disengage buddy annie stun brand stun combo even easier than syndra cassiopeia ult lux snare malzahar ult heimerdinger stun upgrade orianna ult zyra snare and ult viktor ult and stun slow , vel koz knock up veigar stun chamber . wooww

AshenvallMar 14, 20161 votes

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all of these guys have a disengage buddy annie stun brand stun combo even easier than syndra cassiopeia ult lux snare malzahar ult heimerdinger stun upgrade orianna ult zyra snare and ult viktor ult and stun slow , vel koz knock up veigar stun chamber . wooww

True story bro.

Cosmic WarperMar 14, 20163 votes

Her single target damage output is good, but her utility is subpar in the game right now. There are many champions that just don't care about her stun and damage because of all the tanky builds running around. Maw counters her super hard because after her ultimate her damage output drops. She either needs better teamfighting damage, or some form of better utility.

AshenvallMar 14, 20161 votes

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Her single target damage output is good, but her utility is subpar in the game right now. There are many champions that just don't care about her stun and damage because of all the tanky builds running around. Maw counters her super hard because after her ultimate her damage output drops. She either needs better teamfighting damage, or some form of better utility.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/hKwhWtBx-for-fun-i-improved-syndra-spells

TwinTon3Mar 14, 20161 votes

While I do love the changes in that thread, even I feel she would be too OP and be nerfed into the ground if that happened. The increased damage on Q? Welcomed change. All the added effects? Noooo, nonono.

AshenvallMar 14, 20161 votes

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While I do love the changes in that thread, even I feel she would be too OP and be nerfed into the ground if that happened. The increased damage on Q? Welcomed change. All the added effects? Noooo, nonono.

I added these effects to increase her strategic management of her spheres. For example, when a teamfight begin. You can cast your ult and create a minefield.

SeenanMar 14, 20162 votes

I tend to beat champions like Akali until they string the game along and try to snowball off other people's deaths...but honestly, after I E-stun her, unless I have enough health to survive her burst or just delete her so she can't do anything, it doesn't matter. Similar to Diana. If I can't interrupt her ult dash, probably dead unless I can kite her accordingly. Instead of changing the mini damage buffs skills you get at 5, you can make them scale up per level and/or add to the passive in a way or give a mobility-esque passive to an ability. Idk, something. Diana treatment of making her orbs hit faster so portions of it can't be blocked? If I combo someone and if I R last, they might actually get to a safe vantage point or get protection as the final ball or balls hit (Braum?).

LankPantsMar 14, 20162 votes

I tend to beat champions like Akali until they string the game along and try to snowball off other people's deaths...but honestly, after I E-stun her, unless I have enough health to survive her burst or just delete her so she can't do anything

Syndra's kit is a perfect counter to assassin Akali's. I play both champs and have played this matchup from both sides and I can honestly say that if the Syndra's competent it becomes borderline impossible for Akali to lane against her. I legit used to consider this the single worst lane matchup in the game, I think it's a little better for Akali since Syndra's ~~gutting~~ nerfs but it's still pretty bad.

Diana's probably about the same since they're super similar, I think she fairs a little better thanks to her poke and shield though. Basically I think if Syndra was having trouble in these matchups it would show serious problems in her power level.

PapaGreg21Mar 14, 20162 votes

Put Syndra side by side with veigar's kit and you will realize there is no reason to pick her

The Great DivideMar 15, 20161 votes

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Put Syndra side by side with veigar's kit and you will realize there is no reason to pick her

Except she doesn't need to sit and solely farm in lane to be relevant; She has massive bullying potential from lvl 1 (I take w first). Her stun is practically instant and still can be AoE, although not as zoning as Veigar's, but has potentially farther range. Her sustained dmg is much better than Veigar's (constant q's), and her spells are generally easier to land on non-stunned enemies. Syndra to me is Veigar 2.0, she's just harder to learn

PapaGreg21Mar 15, 20161 votes

She doesn't have any bullying potential at level 1. Have you played her since the q nerfs? It doesn't do any damage. That is why she sucked all of season 5.

R FLASH XDMar 13, 20161 votes

I think we can all agree that we don't need another assassin right now, no not cuz they are "broken" cuz we have enough.Syndra can kill you with a q + ult.Give her some mobility, she becomes a fucking assassin.And no, I'm not level 12, this is not my first account.