Riot trying to balance their game.

3 AD.

I think that's Faye Valentine from Cowboy Bebop.

Faye Valentine from Cowboy Bebop. The most badass female anime character ever in the most badass anime ever. Watch the dubbed version. It's one of the only animes with a fantastic dub.

At least you can make everything work in DotA regardless of skill levels.

Now look at LoL where you see 20 champions being picked/banned in 90% of LCS games.

Except Dota isn't like that at all. Have you even played it long enough to understand it's meta?

But the thing is, two negatives make a positive. What was that? High CC? BKB. Chaos Knight Ruining your day? Diffusal blade Annoying caster? Anti-Mage

Just because the number of champions in each lane hasn't changed doesn't mean the meta hasn't.

That's like saying the meta in league hasn't changed because each team still picks 5 champions each game.

It's just that lane setups are more of an unspoken rule than one hardcoded into the game.

{quoted} even though I would argue that LOL has about an even learning curve due to the amount of champion kits you have to remember

I disagree with this,dota's attitude is basically "You're having trouble against aoe based heroes because you tend to cluster? Well,git gud,you scrublord",lol's in contrast is "You're having trouble against aoe based heroes because you tend to cluster? Alright,give us some time to figure out an excuse as to why we are nerfing these champions,then you can go back to hitting your head into a brick wall and not be penalized for it"

Dota forces its players to adapt,both in picks and playstyle,meanwhile in lol it takes fucking diamond(+) for bot lane to fucking do golems/gromp,because apparently the concept of the level 2 power spike is too complex for the vast majority of the coddled playbase.

ya because arguing over wether you want to play hypercarry +jungle support+engage support in safe lane... or duo offlane... or have a dedicated jungler... or duoing mid... that shit is really productive. the only time these kind of meta instabilities are satisfying is when used in premades. champ select in dota is bad enough when you pick any champ other than a hard counter to the first pick and on down the line... champion meta there is well... REALLY stale.

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Garen hasn't received much attention in recent patches because A) There are bigger fish to fry, and B) Garen is pretty simple to deal with, the only reason he is a problem is because people do not know how to deal with him in laning phase for some reason. See no one really complained about laning against Garen before the juggernaut patch, but afterwards suddenly no one knows how to fight against him? What happened to that? Why did everyone stop doing what worked against him? His laning phase is weaker now, he was nerfed as compensation for the Villain mechanic. He is less tanky, lost his tenacity, not as fast, MS boost is lower and shorter, Silence is shorter, and his E does less damage at early levels. He can't even mark you as villain for killing him which makes his laning phase even worse... YET PEOPLE STILL FEED HIM. I just don't understand...

its not his laning phase that bothers me, its his ability to do over 1k true damage while building full tank that makes me angry. Yes his laning phase is pretty much the same and easy to deal with but the whole villain system just really needs some work.