I don't get why Riot feels the need to nerf anything that's "strong" in pro play. Strong does not equal overpowered, Lulu is just good at what she does. Don't make her weaker for the other 99% of players just because the top 1% uses her a lot. (And half the time aren't even successful with her.)
Darth Pixy Misa4 votesI am convinced that Lulu is banned because most pros find Lulu annoying, and dont like the protect the carry team comps(not really because she is OP).
IMO if you get Lulu in all for one you must group up and spam laugh
My question is, which is more annoying, Lulu, Janna, or Tahm Kench
McAnnex2 votesShe is banned in the LCS, but virtually no where else. She isn't banned in 98% of games I bet.
SwapShadows3 votesShe's one of the most overpowered champions in the game, saying she is fine completely undermines this thread.
Femcel2 votesPlease explain how she is overpowered? I find that statement hard to believe considering we have Zed, Fiora and Corki in the game right now, and those are just off the top of my head.
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Please explain how she is overpowered? I find that statement hard to believe considering we have Zed, Fiora and Corki in the game right now, and those are just off the top of my head.
Lulu can play almost every position in the game and fit basically every single teamcomp whilst having a ton of cc, damage and everything else in her kit. That is what overpowered means.
Zed also isn't overpowered, there is a reason why he is never picked in high tier play and it's because he is actually way too hard to play against competent people. I think you might not understand what overpowered is.
McAnnex4 votesShe is versatile to be sure, but she is far from OP. Outside of the LCS, Lulu doesn't come close to being considered OP.
Athenes Lulu1 votesShe is versatile to be sure, but she is far from OP. Outside any organized team play, Lulu doesn't come close to being considered OP.
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Dominick Destine1 votes
DeloricVI2 votesLulu falls off hard in the top lane, as a support her game has been nerfed so you have to be pretty darn good with her to be successful in bot lane, and jungle or adc lulu? Fucking really? Anything but lulu mid or support is really stretching it, or is some kind of stupid bronze thing that doesn't actually work everywhere. In Challenger, kudos to you if you can make anything but lulu mid or supp work against other Challenger players.
Zed is a little overtuned for a lot of the community because of Duskblade giving him another flat AD option. His laning phase was already strong, but since BF sword was knocked down by like...200 gold or so, his power spike is moved to a little earlier on. Not to mention AD champions in general have more lane options against AP mid laners right now; there are some options for AP mids, but the only one that's 100% consistent is Zhonia's. Half the time, he's going to have more damage than you can handle far before you can build Zhonia's.
disregardable2 votesYou don't need to be overpowered to deserve a nerf. Ahri's recent nerf is a really good example. Ahri isn't op, but she is ridiculously safe. The same is true for Lulu.
Femcel1 votesI would argue Ahri was op though. Safety in combination with everything else she could do is what made her op. She had amazing poke, all in potential, burst and safety. If Lulu gets caught out, she's going to die. Lulu has decent poke but it falls off late game. Lulu is strong in utility, and I think that's totally fair considering that's her thing, she's supposed to keep her carry safe, it's a part of her job.
McAnnex1 votesAhri is a burst mage assassin, Lulu is a utility mage... apples to oranges. Lulu isn't safe unless she blows her ultimate to run away, which is a pretty high cost for safety.
Athenes Lulu2 votesBeing balanced is one thing, but having too much safety and very little risk is another.
For instance, there are no real punishments for playing badly as Lulu solo, PLUS the safety she has as a solo laner in lane. Feed in lane? Oh, just build AP and be the second support later! Lulu support doesn't have that same luxury of safety. So it is reasonable that part is toned down.
The current nerf isn't necessarily the best way, but cutting down HP from her ult does town down her 1v1 capabilities, therefore Riot is actually getting the general direction of the nerfs right.
McAnnex1 votesShe has no escape other than a speed boost which scales very fairly and is also her defensive tool. She can't zip away quickly with a rank 1 W and no AP and if she uses it at all she won't be able to Polymorph anyone. The punishment is death if you play poorly, or at least being underfarmed. I disagree that a nerf is needed due to pick/ban rates and win percentages outside of the infinitely exclusive pro scene.
Athenes Lulu1 votesIn a solo lane just W yourself and slow things, congrats you have escaped a gank. Oops, can't escape? Who cares, just be a support afterwards, and blindly build AP. The enemy laner/jungler only gets one kill at a time, so screwing up isn't the end of the world. Very little risk involved overall.
In bot lane, you can't do that, therefore already adding to the already risky gameplay in lane. Oops, can't escape? Both parties usually die, so usually 2 kills at a time. Enemy x, then, starts to snowball quickly because you thought you can just play her like you're Lulu top, and is usually hard to shut down unless one of your teammates is really fed. Because you are underleveled (that's just a support thing due to no farming), it is a little harder to catch up, therefore you have to play even safer. Same reason why people perceived Sona as "bad".
Escaping ganks alone is easy, but escaping ganks with very limited tools AND getting another person out alive at once is not. The latter is the risk that Lulu supports get, while she does not have to do any of that as a solo laner. Because of no "having to save that shitty teammate while having enough just for yourself" in a solo lane, Lulu solo is very safe compared to her support counterpart.
Gotodead1 votesDefinitely a polarizing champ because she is barely played in solo queue, but if you queue up as a dynamic 4/5 man literally have to ban her every game as she gets picked basically everytime.
She's gotten to the point where she is hard to use in casual/disorganized play and highly effective/borderline broken in organized play.
Which I guess it slightly better then being broken everywhere but it points to bad design when a champion is this overloaded with utility and can break the game with cetain combos.
McAnnex1 votesThat's the thing. SoloQ players are effectively punished for the success she sees at the elite levels of play that 99% of players will never see.
AttackOnTeemos1 votesShe has a knockup, slow, polymorph. She doesn't HAVE to do damage to be overpowered. I HATE playing against her more then I love playing her. Compared to Janna, Sona, or any other supports out there, her biggest flaw really is requiring coordination with teammates. (Which is more user issue then champ issue)
McAnnex1 votesShe scales with the skill of her team, which is why she's only an issue in the professional leagues. Otherwise, she's not a threat to champion diversity in any sense. I'd rather Riot ban her from LCS play and leave her the way she is than isolate the 99.99% of players not in the pro scene.
McAnnex1 votesThe notion that Lulu is getting nerfed because she is too pervasive in professional play is a pretty big pill for the 99.999% of players not in that scene who probably account for 99.999% of all the Lulu games played right now.
LadyRenly1 votesto be honest, all lulu is down here in bronze is blitzcrank fodder. leonas a way safer pick
Calabok1 votesNerf Lulu
Dataless1 votesShe's an extremely safe solo laner, almost impossible to kill even without a defensive summoner due to shields, polymorph, and Wild Growth. She scales amazingly into lategame and shines in any sort of Protect the Carry style comp. In a solo queue environment she is strong but not overpowered. In competitive she is an absolute monster.
JayHog19921 votesLulu can't carry lategame, so I doubt Riot will nerf her. She's only useful early game as her base damage on her abilities and her combo makes her a threat. But without a team, she's nothing.
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