Frozen Mallet nerf

DarthFantasia··2 votes·1,297 views

Frozen mallet is just too strong right now. The amount it slows along with the amount of health it gives make it way too strong. It offers way too much utility. It is also extremely broken on some champions. I just played a game against a Kalista and she was pretty bad early game. Late game though there was nothing my team could do. She just permanently slowed us and kited us and got them a free win. Another champion it is broken on is Darius. He can auto attack you forever and there is no way to escape. After 5 attacks, he is just gonna true damage ultimate you and RIP other champion.

Edit: Let's compare frozen mallet with the recently nerfed rylais crystal scepter. Rylais gives 300 health and 75 AP, and gives a 20% slow for 1 second. Frozen mallet gives 700 health and 30 AD, and gives melee champions a 40% slow for 1.5 seconds and a 30% slow for ranged champions. So frozen mallet has double the health and have the damage.

Frozen mallet slows more for longer. This makes little sense when most AP champions can't spam abilities every .5 seconds and ADC's attack 2+ times per second. You are being permanently slowed by a champion by 30% or more every second. The only way to escape would be CC, but CC doesn't help against Kalista, Master Yi, or Yasuo.

Even swiftness boots don't counter the permanent slow from frozen mallet. Instead of the 30% slow Kalista would get, it would be a 22.5% slow. That still makes it a permanent slow and it is still higher than Rylais.

13 Comments

Kilanost2 votes

Don't forget Gnar GNAR!

DarthFantasia1 votes

Oh yeah!! Can't believe I forgot. :)

Sohleks2 votes

I want a world where Gnar isn't held back by that item.

Solignis Inferno2 votes

As if he really needs that item to kite when he can do that perfectly without frozen mallet. But yeah, it is painfull to play against, especially if you are melee and immobile. Wouldn't mind if It got removed or something i don't buy It anyway on him, also makes gnar a joke to play.

don't forget Yasuo

Avienal2 votes

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Frozen mallet is just too strong right now. The amount it slows along with the amount of health it gives make it way too strong. It offers way too much utility. It is also extremely broken on some champions. I just played a game against a Kalista and she was pretty bad early game. Late game though there was nothing my team could do. She just permanently slowed us and kited us and got them a free win. Another champion it is broken on is Darius. He can auto attack you forever and there is no way to escape. After 5 attacks, he is just gonna true damage ultimate you and RIP other champion.

Someone forgot what the BS that item 3071 and item 3153 brings eh? But seriously, the item fits the current bs that tank pudging works, by using high amounts of health to shrug off blows, to where even non-tanks/fighters will take advantage of it.

Though Kalista, just like two of my favorites in the jungle: Kindred MasterYi , are able to make use of less commonly touched items, like item 3022 and make incredible use of it since they fit the 'off the norm style' or 'flexible' builds that let them make full use of Frozen Mallet's high hp for sustain and usually a gimmick in their kit to take advantage of the effect better and care little on the low AD amount, even when it was 'changed' a while back to prevent some abuse with it a while back.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

DarthFantasia1 votes

Riot will never nerf Black Cleaver though. It is a part of their baby, the tank meta. It is what gives tanks like Darius and Illaoi insane amounts of damage.

Otherworldz1 votes

Even without Frozen Mallet.. Kalista is a later game champion. If you let Kalista get enough CS and time to catch up she will kite and rend your whole team, and she doesn't need a frozen mallet to do it either.

I'll admit the HP on it is quite high, and that might need to get looked at with all the recent HP nerfs. The slow is just fine however, and the item is working as intended.

DarthFantasia1 votes

Kalista isn't that much of a late game champion. Her win rate is only around 50% late game, compared to Twitch's 55%. Let's compare frozen mallet with the recently nerfed rylais crystal scepter. Rylais gives 300 health and 75 AP, and gives a 20% slow for 1 second. Frozen mallet gives 700 health and 30 AD, and gives melee champions a 40% slow for 1.5 seconds and a 30% slow for ranged champions. So frozen mallet has double the health and have the damage.

Frozen mallet slows more for longer. This makes little sense when most AP champions can't spam abilities every .5 seconds and ADC's attack 2+ times per second. You are being permanently slowed by a champion by 30% or more every second. The only way to escape would be CC, but CC doesn't help against Kalista, Master Yi, or Yasuo.

True Sight1 votes

Swiftness boots almost negate the frozen mallet slow completely lul

The item is a tad bit too strong stats wise, the passive is fine IMO

DarthFantasia1 votes

Let's compare frozen mallet with the recently nerfed rylais crystal scepter. Rylais gives 300 health and 75 AP, and gives a 20% slow for 1 second. Frozen mallet gives 700 health and 30 AD, and gives melee champions a 40% slow for 1.5 seconds and a 30% slow for ranged champions. So frozen mallet has double the health and have the damage.

Frozen mallet slows more for longer. This makes little sense when most AP champions can't spam abilities every .5 seconds and ADC's attack 2+ times per second. You are being permanently slowed by a champion by 30% or more every second. The only way to escape would be CC, but CC doesn't help against Kalista, Master Yi, or Yasuo.

It should have more than one counter though. Honestly, other than Jhin who uses swiftness boots? The other boots give champions magic pen or faster attack speed or less CC time or less AD. I shouldn't need to change my merc treads against a team of Amumu, Ahri, Shen, and Leona just because their Kalista has frozen mallet and is permanently slowing everyone.

PS- instead of the 30% slow Kalista would get, it would be a 22.5% slow. That still makes it a permanent slow and it is still higher than Rylais.

LadyRenly1 votes

it already received 2 nerfs

DarthFantasia1 votes

Only 2 times?!?!

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