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Take off the kiddy gloves already!

Jevokan··8 votes·1,320 views

Trolls are treated far too lightly. The mechanisms to detect them and deal with them are there, but the penalties aren't harsh enough so they continue to abuse the system. Enough is enough RIOT, do something effective about it. ** Take off the kiddy gloves already**. Instill some actual **FEAR **into the people that are ruining the experience for others. Namely TROLLS, AFKS, TOXICS. Lose 1 customer or lose 10 customers that are eventually going to be fed up with you and go play other games like HOTS? Take your pick.

  1. **Why does everyone on the AFK or Troll's team lose full LP losses when the system can detect AFK's very easily? ** The new system also detects trolling behavior. When it is collaborated by reports and scores, then there should be harsh penalties like a whole tier loss for the troll, IP ban, permaban if it happens twice in a row.

  2. Let us police ourselves. Why not put a team vote system in place? If everyone on your team votes that someone is a troll, AFKer, or Toxic they get harsh penalties. They can do the same for toxic and AFK players. They can all vote that player as toxic or AFKer. The system can then collaborate the accusation and deal with it HARSHLY and EFFECTIVELY.

  3. ** How about a 5 minute surrender option?** If after 5 minutes its obvious you have a troll or AFKer then allow a surrender where the penalties are equivalent to a first dodge.

  4. Use the individual performance rating already in place to award or punish players via LP for their performance. So if you went 1 and 49 its obvious that person was trolling and punish them severely. Even if they weren't a troll should they really be in that tier? No they shouldn't so regardless of whether they are a troll or not drop them a tier.

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DrtyTrolls3 votes

I've left several times just because of this. Another thing is because trolls seem to enjoy reporting everyone on their team even though you did nothign wrong you get chat restrictions, ranked restrictions, or banned because Rito doesn't actually look at verbal reports they just punish. This is why i also decided to stop spending so much on the game.

Really wish the community would come together and refuse to give Rito any money until they fix the troll problem because as it stands it will continue as long as we let it.

Jamaree2 votes

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  1. **Why does everyone on the AFK or Troll's team lose full LP losses when the system can detect AFK's very easily? ** The new system also detects trolling behavior. When it is collaborated by reports and scores, then there should be harsh penalties like a whole tier loss for the troll, IP ban, permaban if it happens twice in a row.

How does the system tell the difference between a bad game and trolling? Is 0/8 trolling?

  1. Let us police ourselves. Why not put a team vote system in place? If everyone on your team votes that someone is a troll, AFKer, or Toxic they get harsh penalties. They can do the same for toxic and AFK players. They can all vote that player as toxic or AFKer. The system can then collaborate the accusation and deal with it HARSHLY and EFFECTIVELY.

Because people won't use it for getting rid of trolls, they will use it for kicking people that don't use meta and FoTM champions, and don't say this doesn't happen, because I have lost count of the number of times people said I would feed on Teemo while smurfing and wished they would kick me, only for me to single handedly carry.

  1. ** How about a 5 minute surrender option?** If after 5 minutes its obvious you have a troll or AFKer then allow a surrender where the penalties are equivalent to a first dodge.

Wouldn't people also do this if the game is going really poorly?

  1. Use the individual performance rating already in place to award or punish players via LP for their performance. So if you went 1 and 49 its obvious that person was trolling and punish them severely. Even if they weren't a troll should they really be in that tier? No they shouldn't so regardless of whether they are a troll or not drop them a tier.

Why would people want to actually try to end the game rather then just continue to farm kills then?

Sorry, someone has to play devil's advocate.

DrtyTrolls2 votes

So you're ok with people policing "verbal" abuse by getting 2 week bans even if they said nothing all game or only did in response to a troll ruining the game. But we cannot police trolls ourselves. mk.

FACT: Trolls are everywhere in league and year after year it drives more and more people away because other moba's keep coming out that include anti-troll systems (dota2). Eventually people will get sick of riots greed and they will lose the majority of their player base because of it.

I really enjoy this game and its play style but i am so sick of the trolls to the point i will celebrate when league becomes unpopular and dies.

Jamaree1 votes

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So you're ok with people policing "verbal" abuse by getting 2 week bans even if they said nothing all game or only did in response to a troll ruining the game. But we cannot police trolls ourselves. mk.

I find it so very very VERY hard to believe that all these 2 week ban people are innocent, one game of trolling, flaming, afking etc doesn't even get you looked at, it doesn't, if it did EVERYONE in this game would be banned, and I mean everyone, me included. I think we need the Tribunal back yes, but in game kicking would not go as people planned and would used as a tool to bully instead of restrict trolls, you yourself said this community is bad.

FACT: Trolls are everywhere in league and year after year it drives more and more people away because other moba's keep coming out that include anti-troll systems (dota2). Eventually people will get sick of riots greed and they will lose the majority of their player base because of it.

From what I have seen and from playing DoTA 2 and being on their forums, people whine about trolls there, or Russians on the NA servers, or shit like that.

I really enjoy this game and its play style but i am so sick of the trolls to the point i will celebrate when league becomes unpopular and dies.

Ditto, I don't like them either, but throwing forth system that will create just as main problems as it does solve them, isn't going to help.

Jevokan2 votes

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How does the system tell the difference between a bad game and trolling? Is 0/8 trolling?

Because people won't use it for getting rid of trolls, they will use it for kicking people that don't use meta and FoTM champions, and don't say this doesn't happen, because I have lost count of the number of times people said I would feed on Teemo while smurfing and wished they would kick me, only for me to single handedly carry.

Wouldn't people also do this if the game is going really poorly?

Why would people want to actually try to end the game rather then just continue to farm kills then?

Sorry, someone has to play devil's advocate.

  1. The system tells the difference between a bad game and a troll by collaborating with reports and using your past history, votes, etc. There are lots of ways to differentiate between a bad game and a troll. Plus there are chat logs which are being used now. So use them and punish accordingly.

  2. I see much more positives than negatives with a voting system. There are far more negatives without a voting system.

  3. So after 5 minutes the game is going poorly and they want to surrender. Fine let them! Who cares? Most people don't surrender anyway and they would only do so if there was something obvious preventing them winning late game like an AFK or troll.

  4. Because there is something called diminishing returns and the system accounts for it. For example, you kill a guy 20 times he's not worth gold anymore.

Jamaree1 votes

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  1. The system tells the difference between a bad game and a troll by collaborating with reports and using your past history, votes, etc. There are lots of ways to differentiate between a bad game and a troll. Plus there are chat logs which are being used now. So use them and punish accordingly.

People already report people who don't do well, and if we are going by past history, most people who do troll don't do it repeatedly, people who do, yes, should be an instant permaban, seen counts of straight ten games of trolling, it shouldn't take ten games, five games top, should be instant permaban.

  1. I see much more positives than negatives with a voting system. There are far more negatives without a voting system.

I don't, I see the positive of people every once in a while removing trolls, in turn I see the cons of people whining that they get kicked for not playing FoTM champions, kicked for not picking accord to what their team wants even if they are bad with said champion, people whining about being forced to follow the meta and how if they don't play to it they get punished.

  1. So after 5 minutes the game is going poorly and they want to surrender. Fine let them! Who cares? Most people don't surrender anyway and they would only do so if there was something obvious preventing them winning late game like an AFK or troll.

So then they get reduced LP loss and abuse the system, and does the other side getting reduced LP gain?

  1. Because there is something called diminishing returns and the system accounts for it. For example, you kill a guy 20 times he's not worth gold anymore.

Ok, then I'm going to still not end the game, screw my team, gonna keep farming the jungle, lanes, and other things and do everything in my power to not end just to get more LP, I'm also never going to play a support champion again.

Jevokan2 votes

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People already report people who don't do well, and if we are going by past history, most people who do troll don't do it repeatedly, people who do, yes, should be an instant permaban, seen counts of straight ten games of trolling, it shouldn't take ten games, five games top, should be instant permaban.

I don't, I see the positive of people every once in a while removing trolls, in turn I see the cons of people whining that they get kicked for not playing FoTM champions, kicked for not picking accord to what their team wants even if they are bad with said champion, people whining about being forced to follow the meta and how if they don't play to it they get punished.

So then they get reduced LP loss and abuse the system, and does the other side getting reduced LP gain?

Ok, then I'm going to still not end the game, screw my team, gonna keep farming the jungle, lanes, and other things and do everything in my power to not end just to get more LP, I'm also never going to play a support champion again.

  1. If they don't do it repeatedly they still get punished for that one instance. Like I said there are many ways to differentiate.

  2. Really you think the whole team is going to vote someone kicked just because they went against meta? I don't agree with your pessimism. If they are at least trying most people will not vote to kick someone and then be more likely to lose a man down.

  3. Yeah reduced LP loss, and reduced LP gain. If the game continues past 10 minutes the quick surrender option is not available and full LP loss and LP gain are implemented.

  4. Support champions can get a S+ just as any other champion can. And if you're not getting objectives then your LP gain won't be good. If your attitude is screw your team then you are more likely to lose than win and LOSE LP rather than GAIN it.

Jamaree1 votes

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  1. If they don't do it repeatedly they still get punished for that one instance. Like I said there are many ways to differentiate.

Such as, I want in-depth explanation on how the system would just know.

  1. Really you think the whole team is going to vote someone kicked just because they went against meta? I don't agree with your pessimism. If they are at least trying most people will not vote to kick someone and then be more likely to lose a man down.

You think they wouldn't? You yourself said the community is bad, why wouldn't say bad community abuse that kind of feature?

  1. Yeah reduced LP loss, and reduced LP gain. If the game continues past 10 minutes the quick surrender option is not available and full LP loss and LP gain are implemented.

How would that be fair to the side that didn't get a troll then?

  1. Support champions can get a S+ just as any other champion can. And if you're not getting objectives then your LP gain won't be good. If your attitude is screw your team then you are more likely to lose than win and LOSE LP rather than GAIN it.

So how would the system work, like the mastery system?

Jevokan2 votes

I've explained a million times in a million different ways. I'm surprised you don't get it yet. Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

Why don't you answer some questions instead. Do you like the current system? Do you find anything wrong with the current system? How would you address the AFK, Troll, Toxic person problem? Lets see what you come up with. I'll nitpick the crap out of it.

Jamaree1 votes

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I've explained a million times in a million different ways. I'm surprised you don't get it yet. Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

No, I'm looking at the flip side that people wholeheartedly ignore, but would complain and bitch about the moment said thing gets put into place.

Do you like the current system?

No, I still think we need the Tribunal, out of all the systems, I felt like it was the best. It helped the players feel like they had said, it helped mitigate the problem and it gave the least amount of room to whine about abuse because it didn't just showcase one game.

Do you find anything wrong with the current system?

Yes, players are at times given too much leeway, people with a full ten+ games of intentional feeding should not be a thing, five, boom, done.

How would you address the AFK, Troll, Toxic person problem?

There will NEVER be a system to perfectly handle everything, there will never be a system that is fair to both sides when there is an afk/troll nor will there be a system that doesn't have people who don't get punished are, and vice versa. There has never been a system like that in all of mankind, not gonna happen in a random online game, and before you say DoTA 2, I know people who have been put into low priority queue from getting reported by said trolls, and while yes, you can leave a game when someone trolls early, you still get a full MMR drop for doing so. So that isn't perfect either.

I will go down saying that Tribunal is our best bet, and I simply want put to look at both sides of the equation rather then just to see only the pros of a system and refuse to look at the cons just because. Hell, the Tribunal wasn't even perfect either, but I felt like that system had the fewest amount of innocent people getting punished.

Jevokan1 votes

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No, I'm looking at the flip side that people wholeheartedly ignore, but would complain and bitch about the moment said thing gets put into place.

No, I still think we need the Tribunal, out of all the systems, I felt like it was the best. It helped the players feel like they had said, it helped mitigate the problem and it gave the least amount of room to whine about abuse because it didn't just showcase one game.

Yes, players are at times given too much leeway, people with a full ten+ games of intentional feeding should not be a thing, five, boom, done.

There will NEVER be a system to perfectly handle everything, there will never be a system that is fair to both sides when there is an afk/troll nor will there be a system that doesn't have people who don't get punished are, and vice versa. There has never been a system like that in all of mankind, not gonna happen in a random online game, and before you say DoTA 2, I know people who have been put into low priority queue from getting reported by said trolls, and while yes, you can leave a game when someone trolls early, you still get a full MMR drop for doing so. So that isn't perfect either.

I will go down saying that Tribunal is our best bet, and I simply want put to look at both sides of the equation rather then just to see only the pros of a system and refuse to look at the cons just because. Hell, the Tribunal wasn't even perfect either, but I felt like that system had the fewest amount of innocent people getting punished.

I know the system I proposed isn't perfect and I never said that it was. There are flaws in any system. Its a whole lot better than nothing though. So because there are flaws in the system better to do nothing right?

The tribunal? Seriously? We had the tribunal for over 5 years and what good did it do? Nothing.

Erockandroll2 votes

The community would have a better time identifying trolls. Yet Riot won't enable the Tribunal.

Seriously though, Let Us, fix the problem. Bring back the Tribunal.

Rueian1 votes

This is heavily abuseable, and really doesn't think over the issue and all possibilities of how something might happen.

Jevokan1 votes

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This is heavily abuseable, and really doesn't think over the issue and all possibilities of how something might happen.

The current system is heavily abusable that's why we need to do something rather than nothing.

Rueian1 votes

The community is to emotion driven and cant be trusted to make correct judgements on the fly. This is why punishment requires repetition before it kicks in.

CharQueen1 votes

I can only see this backfiring as toxics morph together and steamroll over honest people.

Jevokan1 votes

The thing is you don't even need the vote system if points 1, 2, 4 are implemented. If it still doesn't work which I highly doubt then introduce a vote system and just see how it works. If its worse then just remove it, simple.

F031 votes

riot doesn't give a shit if people troll games

they only care if they use foul language.

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