you don't know how to nerf talon

YourNumber1Fan·Jul 19, 2018·15 votes·7,062 views

all the nurf has done is made all talon players build first item all you have done is tied the champ to the item now if your not building first item your trolling. you attempted to nurf hes w so he could not wave clear as fast but he still can all the nurfs did was make you aa the wave a extra time hes still going to have a 100% banrate high elo meaning talon onetricks still cant play there champ but im low elo so this does not effect me in the least since nobody bans him in my elo

27 Comments

Dope SoloJul 19, 20184 votes

They know how to nerf Talon, they just choose not to.

HyquiemJul 19, 20182 votes

Just remove talon q life steal..

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20183 votes

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Just remove talon q life steal..

Noxian Diplomancy (Q) range reduced from 575 to 550. Base Magic Resistance reduced from 39 to 32.1 (Revert of 8.4) Base Armor increased from 30 to 32 (8.4 Revert)

This is all Riot needs to do to bring Talon back in to line.

IT3etlWEXJJul 19, 20182 votes

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but im low elo so this does not effect me in the least

Also why you aren't qualified to make statements on balancing decisions.

YourNumber1FanJul 19, 201812 votes

and you are?

IT3etlWEXJJul 19, 20181 votes

I'm not telling a professional balance team that they aren't doing their job right now am I

CppLJul 19, 20183 votes

Professional balance team? :DD they not even playing their own fucking game :D and if they would they would be like silver 2-3...remember morello? he was like silver 2 or something.Rank doesnt mean shit.

DorkunedAurasJul 19, 20182 votes

That's actually a lie. The Balance team and the testers are all Diamond+

GayFluffyUnicornJul 19, 20183 votes

That's actually a lie those who ACTUALLY balance or "design" the game are all silver, bronze, gold or dont play AT ALL. Rickless, fearless, meddler, ghostcrawler. Playtesters are a bunch of d5s, high dias, one ex pro but idk how much weigh they actually have.

FrozenDeath14Jul 19, 20181 votes

stfu. Give the game to a bunch of high tier all arounders who know proper macro and micro managements and they will give you a proper game in 1 years time. Some random silver shouldnt be allowed to balance and yes i'm rank shaming the balance team and idc You can rank shame me too i decayed from d4 and i'm plat 3 or something maybe lower call me plat trash won't change the fact that the balance team is COMPLETELY incompetent and they are slowly killing the game.

sir d wreckJul 19, 20182 votes

This isn't true at all. You should take arguments on their merit, not the rank of the person making the argument. If you disagree with OP, you should say why his argument is invalid, not dismiss him entirely because of his ranking.

DracocrashJul 19, 20183 votes

Riot balance team aren't a bunch of top 10 challenger players either, your argument is null and void.

IT3etlWEXJJul 19, 20181 votes

They aren't in the bottom 75% of all League players either https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution Not trying to be a jerk but the fact is that these guys are paid professionals who are working with extensive amounts of data not even available outside of Riot, they 100% know balance better than a Silver player

GayFluffyUnicornJul 19, 20182 votes

Yeah i see how good they are at balance every fuckin patch. Hey let's buff kindred nd graves 8 patches in a row and then never look back. Act as if nothing happened when they are broken tier again. This is just one tiny example of them fuckin up the game.

Ulquiorra0123Jul 19, 20187 votes

Scarra said the same thing, is he not qualified?

IT3etlWEXJJul 19, 20181 votes

He is, but the OP made no mention of Scarra's statement.

Ulquiorra0123Jul 19, 20186 votes

But you just completely ousted his statement because of his elo, but all of high elo agrees with him... So seems to me like he knows what he is talking about and is super qualified to make a correct statement :)

IT3etlWEXJJul 19, 20181 votes

If all high elo players agree with this then OP should have had no issue finding evidence from high elo to back up his claim.

Ulquiorra0123Jul 19, 20188 votes

You are dodging the point, you literally told him his opinion is worthless, but that same opinion coming from 99% of high elo players is valid? That is a bit ridiculous. Just because someone is low elo doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about :)

In your little crusade here to pick on someone for being low elo, you basically shit on the opinion of everyone in high elo who agrees that the balance team made the wrong change :)))))

ThefrostyvikingJul 19, 20183 votes

Dude your argument makes no sense.

For what reason does OP need to collect any kind of evidence to back up his claim? He can easily make a statement and its up to us to judge if its true or not.

And as it happens, several high elo players have said the same or at least similar things which greatly improves the chances that OP´s statement is true.

And as if that wasnt enough, his claim is actually easy enough to verify using the practice tool , if what OP writes about is is so easily doable then chances are its truly happening, which further suggests that he writes the truth.

And thus given that he has the same idea as those high elo fellows and has a claim that is easily proven true, isnt he qualified? For if you deny his reasoning then its pretty much the same as denying them and reality in fact.

Are you qualified to do so?

Best FiddleJul 19, 20182 votes

The real truth is, they are not as incompetent as they make themselves to be. If they really wanted, they could nerf him appropriately, but that would ago against their favors.

ramennoodlezJul 19, 20182 votes

WTF, you literally copied Yamikaze's words/video verbatim. If you want to share something just share the link or give your own opinion. He was referring to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyL9D-k-8B4

Tahminatrix Jul 19, 20181 votes

Just give him a unique mechanic where if hes dashing/jumping in to kill someone (with q) he ends up stopping at any champions in between and they take damage instead or something, atleast that means his damage/gap closer isn't turned into more mobility and it is still reliable in 1v1 situations.

Cause turning it into a skillshot would make him too mobile and less reliable in a bad way.. (People would just dodge with abilities or something and the added mobility would make him more toxic to shutdown if he gets ahead..) Or hed still be reliable but even stronger with more mobility which is worse.....

and nerfing his numbers might be too much apparently because riot wont tweak him constantly like they should.

If they made his q blockable by another champion he would still have his 1v1 potential but he would just need to be more careful in groupfights.

YourNumber1FanJul 19, 20181 votes

i don't like the idea of a q that can be blocked just shorten the q range in high elo talon would be useless with a q that can be blocked

Madsin25Jul 19, 20181 votes

They nerfed his W to stop the snowball from being an auto loss for the other team.

They did the exact same nerf to wukong and zoe.

Ulquiorra0123Jul 19, 20181 votes

But he just grabs Tiamat and does the same thing anyways? This is really just an invalid counterargument to what everyone knows is correct...

Crescent DuskJul 20, 20181 votes

His W damage didn't need nerfing.

His mana costs did. Make assassins like Talon/Ekko have mana expenditure similar to Annie or Malzahar and you'll watch hwo they can't just spam waveclear and roam all day.

I would say the same of Zoe who is way too spammy compared to other mages.