As an Anivia Main, I'm heartbroken...

Jaxi·Nov 25, 2016·7 votes·1,357 views

So after playing hundreds of hours playing Anivia. This new change to her E finally made me want to quit her...Anivia was the champion that was Slow, Squishy, No Mobility, but if you got in her face, she gave you a reason to think twice. But now with the new changes to her E, now we're being forced to either land the Q (which is slower then most projectiles in the class of mages) to deal big damage. Or give the opponent 1.5 seconds to dash away before we can trade well. Allowing other mages to have time to get out of the danger zone of her. Am I saying it's a bad thing to give the opponents time to react? Not really, but there needs to be a way that Anivia can exist in the league of Dashes. I believe that giving Anivia's Ult a "Ground"! Just like how Cassiopia's poison grounds people from dashing, would be an extremely good idea. That'll help so much! They can even say something like "The glacial storm freeze enemies movement, keeping them tight to the ground". But i feel that would be really good buff to her /ultimate/ ability. What are your guys opinions. And for you Anivia mains, what are your thoughts on the changes to her E? Am I being a crybaby or do you guys feel that this nerf to her E was a bit harsh?

TL;DR -- The effort vs reward isn't balanced enough for me to want to main Anivia anymore.

9 Comments

RequiemsfireNov 25, 20169 votes

A lot Anivia players are including myself, the supposed buff is not enough to compensate for the weaknesses they left behind for Anivia,

Jahsuo OnfroyNov 25, 20164 votes

Problem is that she was extremely anti-fun, hard to counterplay, and all with little skill floor. Please look at the highlight clips of Anivia in s6 summer split. There are at least 3 clips where an Anivia would Flash -> E -> R on an ADC and the ADC would flash near instantly but still die because there is no human way to react to it. The champ has somewhat of a skill ceiling because of the use of her w and q, but that's where it ends. If you're so torn about your champ being nerfed, in preseason mind you, then play Aurelion Sol, as he's just better than her in every single way and has somewhat similar skill sets.

Honestly, she's going to be terrible now, but she's just getting the pre-rework Veigar treatment.

Sona PingNov 25, 20163 votes

Every champion in the game can flash engage. Every champion can take flash and every champion can use it with their abilities.

Let's not pretend that means anything significant for Anivia.

Dark NephthysNov 26, 20161 votes

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Problem is that she was extremely anti-fun, hard to counterplay, and all with little skill floor. Please look at the highlight clips of Anivia in s6 summer split. There are at least 3 clips where an Anivia would Flash -> E -> R on an ADC and the ADC would flash near instantly but still die because there is no human way to react to it. The champ has somewhat of a skill ceiling because of the use of her w and q, but that's where it ends. If you're so torn about your champ being nerfed, in preseason mind you, then play Aurelion Sol, as he's just better than her in every single way and has somewhat similar skill sets.

Honestly, she's going to be terrible now, but she's just getting the pre-rework Veigar treatment.

Anivia is easy to counter though. Just play a champion with either long range poke who can stay away from her, or a champion with strong wave clear who can constantly push Anivia into tower pre-6 (Anivia's farming is terrible pre level 6. Even at level 6 it requires usually 2 or 3 times the amount of mana to clear a wave compared to other great wave clear mages). Also mobile champions (which are usually assassins) are also all great into Anivia during the lane phase (though Anivia does well into them during Mid/Late game).

Also the R>E wasn't even that bad to even complain about since that was the bulk of the damage that Anivia would get off during the 1v1 since her Q is easy enough to dodge and you can just walk out of her ult easily.

The E does 300 + 100% AP, yes it was technically un-dodgeable but it also required her to use her Ultimate and like 225 mana and then she just sits there for another 6-7 seconds before she can really do any damage.

Want to talk about another champion who can do close to that much damage without much "counterplay"? How about Viktor 's Q which is a point and click + auto attack so about as little counterplay and does 240 + 90% AP + 100% AD. Has the same CD And Range as Anivia's E, does not require any other skills to set up, gives a shield + movement speed boost and only requires 65 mana and works very well with item 3100 .

RequiemsfireNov 27, 20161 votes

I don't remember pre-rework veigar being bad.

AnìvìaNov 27, 20162 votes

Little skill floor ( always had maxed dificulty level on her client profile, not picked up by more than 7% of the games even at her probably strongest time)

Hard to counter play ( any high ranged champ or mobile champ already excel against her by defalut on top of the very dodgable q which is roughly half her damage and her ult you can walk out of)

3 times anivia flash e r at summersplit ( I wonder how many times people flashed for kills ... i would say more than 3 times with most champions in a single game)

q and w are a little hard to use ( q is a slow skillshot which looses his stun with any hard cc applied to anivia, w is both a risk and a skill you have to place right to make use of it, ult is just as reliant on good positioning as it is on your other unreliable skills being used right as well)

Play aurelion sol ( Not gonna change my main who I played for over 6 Years . I love anivia and want her to do well.)

He(sol) is better in every single way ( .... are you just admitting that there is at least one champ who excells in everything anivia could do? Apart from both being very different to each other. I played sol, like him and got an S+ on him in my first game i tested his skills . Sol imo is very different from anivia and has different strengths and weaknesses)

"Honestly, she's going to be terrible now, but she's just getting the pre-rework Veigar treatment."

"Those, who do not learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it"

So, it is an argument now that they also did it with someone else? Poor justification for anything.

KomoririNov 25, 20164 votes

It's terrible how insecure anivia damage has become.

I feel like I can't do shit against a mobile laner anymore since he has to be AFK to actually stand 1,5seconds inside this terrible Ult radius before I can do serious damage. Every trade resolves around you hitting the Q stun (which is in itself a difficult task) and is lost immediately if you don't. All that combined with ridiculous high mana costs. Meanwhile certain other champs are allowed to continue to exists in their current form.

I'm especially looking at you, Syndra. Same problem, just easier stuns, lower manacosts, more dps and more utility with a high damage click to delete.

Asayake 5150glowNov 25, 20161 votes

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It's terrible how insecure anivia damage has become.

I feel like I can't do shit against a mobile laner anymore since he has to be AFK to actually stand 1,5seconds inside this terrible Ult radius before I can do serious damage. Every trade resolves around you hitting the Q stun (which is in itself a difficult task) and is lost immediately if you don't. All that combined with ridiculous high mana costs. Meanwhile certain other champs are allowed to continue to exists in their current form.

I'm especially looking at you, Syndra. Same problem, just easier stuns, lower manacosts, more dps and more utility with a high damage click to delete.

You're not really supposed to trade with Anivia. She's the waveclear god.

AnìvìaNov 27, 20163 votes

She is a mage carry who is considered a control mage. If she is not allowed to trade there is little reason to actualy play her mid, as there are other choices who can farm just as good with less mana, zone equaly well and on top of it have the ability to trade more reliable.

It would be both boring and unhealthy for the game if all she would do is clear waves. Riot does not want binary behavior. I make the asumption that they do not like monotonous noninteractive playstyles either.

The fact that they only see the control mage in her is frustrating, as this is just a glorified name for what a mage support would do. Pushing her into the role of a support would be unjust to anivia as champion and as character. (Protector of her homeland)