Katarina Nerfs - 2 long years.

Zed's W does have a delay (although it didn't for a while after he came out). Ekko's E start's with a dash which by it's very nature is delayed. Both ability's have more delay than Kat's E and are far more telegraphed.

But then why does her performance get better the higher elo you go? Until ~challenger because assassins in general arent very playable there unless theyre broken.

Looking at the kat subreddit, people seem to think its very urgent that Kat gets buffs. People are quitting because she is so unplayable, and so on.

Also when people say "daggers take too long to drop"... what do they want? Because its already impossible to move out of Kats E W without a mobility spell, and that one dagger is often enough for a kill. Not to mention that a Kat with 1 item doesnt even need to land any daggers to kill a squishy guy due to fun free damage from runes, ignite, and Gunblade.

Dont believe me: https://puu.sh/AZ4aI/75db0af179.webm counterplay omegalul

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Wouldn't say I'm a Kata main, but I do have Mastery 7 on her at least and I have completely no idea why do so many Kat players say that she feels clunky, I don't feel that way about her at all.

Sure, she might have had a more instantaneous E back in the day, I honestly don't see that much of a difference in how the E feels now, and even if that were to be true then it doesn't change the fact that she was freaking reworked, part of the goal of the rework was exactly to give her more delays of all kind in what she does, so imo they just achieved exactly what they wanted to do in the first place anyway.

And about her getting outclassed by assassins - it's completely understandable that that would be the case even if the Kata plays a 1v1 fight like that perfectly, after all, she's a teamfighter assassin, she's supposed to deal a ton of damage and wreak havoc in teamfights where there are many enemies, if she was also winning with assassins pretty much made for 1v1s then she would be absolutely busted...

You're confused. Players are complaining because her current E doesn't get the full reset until level 5 at the latest, and at the earliest it's a 3 second delay before you can E again. There's no delay on the actual E, it's the delay of hopping in and out of battle, which is what Katarina is supposed to be about. The delay on her dagger drops are what gave her delays, and currently outside of Evelynn, Katarina is now the only one with delays from the assassin rework. Rengar's delays got reverted, and Leblanc's delays got reverted, and Fizz's as well.

If they'd JUST nerfed Electrocute it'd be fine, because then I wouldn't have to feel bad about going Comet/Dark Harvest Kat(because the Electrocute is just so busted that any other rune options for Kat are pretty much obsolete), but they also nerfed Celerity, which was one of the main pluses of going Comet Kat, because Kat's W gave her 26 AP early game, she could take nullifying orb, gathering storm, and then I could take magical footwear/future's market for early snowball. Now Electrocute is pretty much gonna be the only option because Celerity's damage was literally halved, and it was one of the only good reasons for Comet Kat being viable. Dark Harvest can still be used, but I'm not sure taking 30 damage off Electrocute is going to be enough to make Dark Harvest a premium choice, and the Sterak's change made Sterak's a bad option for Dark Harvest Kat(I used to go Lich Bane, Gunblade, Sterak's, Visage for a bruiser build that could still one shot thanks to Dark Harvest, but now that Sterak's synergy is gone from Lich Bane, there's no reason to take it, and Comet became my primary build because Electrocute is just so easy to proc).

So now Electrocute is pretty much going to be my only option and I'm going to be bored playing her again even if she's still strong.

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? i cant see how she is weak her kit is perfect for solo q i can see her not being that good in organized teams but thats it

kat reminds me of old akali as soon as she has gunblade you are fucked and you cant run away from her

Just saw this and had to chime in. Old Akali basically = you're dead as soon as she gets gunblade unless you have 2 items above her by this point, and even then it's risky. Kat currently = only can kill you if she has gunblade if she's even or ahead. If she gets put behind she stays there. Old Akali also has extreme sustain built into her kit which synergizes with gunblade much more than Katarina could ever synergize with gunblade. Gunblade's only good on Kat because of her dual scalings and the fact that she uses ravenous hunter to heal more with gunblade. It doesn't synergize with her kit at all outside of slowing you down enough for her to E to you. Hell I do way more damage only getting revolver, then buying oblivion orb and sorc shoes due to all the early penetration than I do rushing gunblade. Gunblade BUSTS old Akali, it doesn't bust Kat.

No, not an insta E. The very tiny delay when casting Shunpo, not the cooldown that is reduced from picking up a dagger.