Lee Sin =) Balanced and healthy

King Odin··3 votes·554 views

http://i.imgur.com/p4a4dDN.png Ok Lee Sin's wiki page http://i.imgur.com/kXYVxSd.png Look closer http://i.imgur.com/1zeLggq.png Do you see it now?

http://i.imgur.com/99rbWFw.png Maybe this will help http://i.imgur.com/uLAKqrz.png Better? http://i.imgur.com/SuVlgWp.png Maybe this will do the trick http://i.imgur.com/Gk9J4kp.png Comeon by now http://i.imgur.com/XJWbytz.png No this isn't Riven trust me

So let's add some stuff up shall we? Let's say Lee sin is level 18 this means that his base damage is 116 He builds two damage itemsitem 3074 + item 3035 = 75 + 40 = 115 AD + 15 AD ( Runes let's forget masteries ) = 130 Bonus AD His total AD is 130 + 116 = 246 AD

Sonic Wave - 340 Base Damage + 234 Bonus AD = 574 Total Physical Damage(+ 8% target's missing health) Tempest - 200 + 246 Total AD = 446 Magic Damage ( Yes he's fcking hybrid damage ) Dragon's Rage - 600 + 260 Bonus Damage = 860 Total Physical Damage Let's not forget his 25% Lifesteal and Spell Vamp kids.

Let's say the enemy has 5000 health and this is not taking inconsideration Armour or MR. Basic Lee Combo - Q - E - R - Q - Damage Diagram - 287 - 446 - 860 - 287 + (1880 x 8%missing health) 150.4 = 2030.4 Total Damage and he could spell vamp 507 Health back and I am not even going to calculate life steal. So without any basic attacks or Ravenous Hydra splash damage or active taken into account he can deal 2030 Damage with two damage items and then build 3 tank items and laugh whilst he tanks all the damage..

I personally thinks he needs to be buffed a little. Not even Talon does so much damage and he's a damn assassin. Since when are fighters supposed to do so much damage Riot? How can this be his damage as a semi tank or full tank?

Edit: I forgot the item 3707 +40 Damage well with it he deals 170 Bonus AD 286 Total AD

Sonic Wave - 340 Base Damage + 306 Bonus AD = 646 Total Physical Damage(+ 8% target's missing health) Tempest - 200 + 286 Total AD = 486 Magic Damage Dragon's Rage - 600 + 340 Bonus Damage = 940 Total Physical Damage

Basic Lee Combo - Q - E - R - Q - Damage Diagram - 323 - 486 - 940 - 323 + (2072 x 8% missing health) 165.76 = 2237.76 Total Damage.

11 Comments

Sailor Mint3 votes

Bonus AD on a champion that builds a single offensive item.

Full damage Lee Sin suffers from being a squishy melee. Top lane Lee Sin is mediocre since the removal of his attack speed debuff.

If you want to see crazy numbers, look up Wukong.

Fun Fact: Tempest's 200 (+1.0 Bonus AD) magic damage with Warrior is weaker than Support Annie's Incinerate with no items. And on a longer CD.

tl;dr: Zooming doesn't make your points more valid.

King Odin1 votes

Ravenous Hydra and Lastwhisper is not full damage. He has a possible 3 item slots for tank items with boots.

Unless you stay in Wukongs ultimate his damage is considerably lower.

King Odin1 votes

Also you haven't said anything about items or how much AP or anything at all.

Sailor Mint1 votes

Jungle Item, Boots, (Sightstone). That's four (three) slots open, and preferably a slot saved for pinks as long as possible.

Lee Sin already suffers from being solo laner food past 15-20 min so he can't delay tank items forever.

King Odin1 votes

Watch Foxdrop or Phylol and look at how they go dmg when fed. He's really easy to get with actually.

Sailor Mint1 votes

Every champion can carry when fed. Not much of an argument.

Either way, you are complaining about damage (Bonus AD ratios) on a champion that builds on average less than 2 offensive items. While on topic of tanks, why not complain about Cho's 650 (+0.7AP) True Damage nuke?

King Odin1 votes

Oh yes let's ignore the 600 Base Damage nuke on his 60 Second cd ult .

Cho'gath is fine, it's single target dmg and has a static 80 second cooldown. It does good damage for his kit since he is supposed to be offtank and not full AP. Even when full AP he is quite tanky because of his passive but that's why his Ult's range is really short. Without the true damage he'd be extremely weak since he would then need things like magic penetration.

On another note Lee Sin scales better than Talon on bonus AD :)

Sailor Mint1 votes

By the time Lee Sin hits level 16, everyone has 70+ Base Armor. With his lack of Armor Pen, it translates to less than 375 damage. Even less if the target builds armor (i.e.: Zhonya's or GA).

thinking man1 votes

Can you unbold this so I don't get eye cancer?

King Odin1 votes

Sorry =(

ForgiveColour1 votes

people i meet in bronze always go full ad lee sin. Do i need to tell you the reason why they are still in bronze?

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