Lucian coming back to the meta really adresses the Elephant in the room

no to toxic··5 votes·440 views

Caitlyn I am not one to say that she is overloaded or has no weaknesses but let`s be honest she is far too safe. I could write down why she is so safe but I´m sure her surviving every meta without problems is enough to prove it.

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Succubús GF7 votes

She was trash in lethality meta. She literally didnt outclass a single champion when lethality was actively strong. Is she a strong adc? Absolutely. Is she op? No. She has what i like to call the ahri syndrome. Very strong and really just a good pick in general as her kit is safe and never really a bad pick.

no to toxic1 votes

She literally didn`t outclass a single champion, except for :Ashe Corki Draven Ezreal Jinx Kalista KogMaw Lucian Sivir Tristana Twitch Vayne. Do you see the champions on that list. These champions were nearly unplayable cause of everybody building lehtality and them having to auto to deal dmg. Except for Caitlyn wich is so safe she can still be played without having 2nd thoughts about it.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

She has what i like to call the ahri syndrome.

Worst thing you could possibly bring up since even Ahri mains agree she needs tweaks to tone her down, specifically ways of making her less ridiculously safe. Go figure.

Succubús GF1 votes

Ridiculously safe? Morgana Anivia would like a few words

ChaddyFantome1 votes

Yes, the immobile short ranged, slow skillshot reliant mages are ridiculously safe .

[zombie-brand-clap]

Succubús GF1 votes

They are wave clear bots, one even has a spellshield. You tried real hard with that one didnt you?[slayer-jinx-wink]

ChaddyFantome1 votes

Literally every Mage is a wave clear bot. even Ahri. What is your point? And That spells shield gets popped by even 1 good magic spell.

Meanwhile Ahri never even has to interact with the enemy laner because she Qs the wave, heals and backs off every time with the Q speedboost, and if you somehow manage to get to her, she charms you, and if you THEN by some miracle somehow manage to avoid THAT, she has 3 flashes that deal auto targeted damage on a low CD.

Meanwhile if anythign gets to anivia or morg, they pop. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

The bias is palpable.

Succubús GF1 votes

Karthus "muh waveclear" Lux isnt that great at waveclearing until getting items Veigar Really? You really just sound like a dipshit Morgana SHIELD STRENGTH: 70 / 140 / 210 / 280 / 350 +70% ap With about 300 ap that's about 220 +140 assuming you have some ap. 360 blocked ap damage is one hell of a shield. Not even including if she went windspeakers or not. I play assassins frequently. I almost always win against ahri with kat and lb exclusively. She isnt too hard to deal with. PLUS syndra and taliyah counter her quite well also

ChaddyFantome1 votes

Both those champions have TONS of waveclear.

Lux deletes waves with her E Veigar Deletes waves with W And as a person who plays a TON of Karthus, Karthus E straight up makes him a decent splitpusher.

Every Mage, without exception, has potent waveclear. All of them....well, except Morganna since she has been tuned to being a support. Go figure.

and as for Morg Shield strentgh, that isn't even alot! Not only is she maxing it last in midlane, but even if she was. 3500 is a joke.

Lux E at max rank is 60 / 105 / 150 / 195 / 240 (+ 60% AP) meaning all it takes you is to have even just item 3285 and you pop the thing in 1 shot. And Morg isn't goign windspeakers unless she is playing support, in which case, she is not only maxing Q, but is not building enough AP to make the shield matter past your damage.

This isn't about "whether you beat Ahri in lane or not. I beat Lucian in lane but that doesn't mean he isn't currently overtuned.

PermabannedGaren2 votes

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Literally every Mage is a wave clear bot. even Ahri. What is your point? And That spells shield gets popped by even 1 good magic spell.

Meanwhile Ahri never even has to interact with the enemy laner because she Qs the wave, heals and backs off every time with the Q speedboost, and if you somehow manage to get to her, she charms you, and if you THEN by some miracle somehow manage to avoid THAT, she has 3 flashes that deal auto targeted damage on a low CD.

Meanwhile if anythign gets to anivia or morg, they pop. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

The bias is palpable.

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.deaths&order=ascend&roleSort=Middle

Yet both die less often than Ahri as mid laners, hmmmmmm.

Anivia in particular is one of the single safest champions in the game. Consistently so.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.deaths&order=ascend&roleSort=Middle

Yet both die less often than Ahri as mid laners, hmmmmmm.

Anivia in particular is one of the single safest champions in the game. Consistently so.

What does this have to so with anything? Both are played FAR less than Ahri mid. The sample size isn't good for a direct comparison.

This is why people don't even take you users who through statistics around mindlessly anymore, because you don't even know what the numbers you are using mean.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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What does this have to so with anything? Both are played FAR less than Ahri mid. The sample size isn't good for a direct comparison.

This is why people don't even take you users who through statistics around mindlessly anymore, because you don't even know what the numbers you are using mean.

Little guy I am far too smart to be bamboozled by your silly attempt at tomfoolery.

Even Zilean's data is from a sample of over ten thousand. This is far more than enough to yield accurate data. Fact of the matter is that all samples are statistically significant, and show that the champions are safer than Ahri. Sorry my son, but you're simply wrong.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Little guy I am far too smart to be bamboozled by your silly attempt at tomfoolery.

I guess this is yoru way of trying to convince yoruself of such while trying to "sound smar" to compensate? Cute, lmao.

Even Zilean's data is from a sample of over ten thousand. This is far more than enough to yield accurate data. Fact of the matter is that all samples are statistically significant, and show that the champions are safer than Ahri. Sorry my son, but you're simply wrong.

Your entire argent here amounts to a big fat," nuh uh its totally valid!!"

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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I guess this is yoru way of trying to convince yoruself of such while trying to "sound smar" to compensate? Cute, lmao.

*your *yourself *smart

Your entire argent here amounts to a big fat," nuh uh its totally valid!!"

*argument

Anyway, I see that you're not very intelligent. Question: why would I cite any sources when you were too lazy to do so yourself? You accuse me of doing the same thing you have already done, yet due to your lack of intelligence you believe your own hands clean.

It is painfully obvious that I'm dealing with a mind far lesser than my own. Do not bother replying further my son. You've embarrassed yourself enough.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Surviving every meta isn't a problem. Thriving in every meta is. Cait does not thrive in most metas, and she's got mana costs out of the ass. Sure, she can be a huge pain, but it's not hard to avoid her traps (arming time, and you can walk around them), and you can simply let your assassin handle her.

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