Tank META is the healthiest META

King Odin··111 votes·6,068 views

The reason I say this is because tanks have quite a few niches such as mobility and being able to be kited. This offers quite a bit of counter play and not to mention item 3071 item 3135 item 3151 item 3035 exist. Where as Mage/Assassin META was burst your opponents face in then run and repeat. Tank META offers smarter thinking since there are hard counter items for tanks and also the fact that they are so team reliant.

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Mecha MaIphite89 votes

0/10

Was expecting a joke about having a lot of health.

Tis a nice day5 votes

Oh you.

KING OF MASKS23 votes

Thread title: Tank meta is healthiest meta. Thread text: item 3083 item 3083 item 3083 item 3083 item 3083 item 3083

Sire Hippington25 votes

i always wonder why this is called tank meta, just cause tanks are viable, it's not like assasins are usless all of a sudden, or that ADCs aren't the center of every team anymore. It's just not a meta without tanks anymore, not a meta dominated by tanks, which 'Tank Meta' kinda implies...

King Odin6 votes

Because it is dominated by tanks right now, with Cinderhulk TANKS ( Team. Anti .Nuke .Killer. Survivors. Yeah make no sense, but I tried :/) are really powerful because Cinderhulk scales with % health, this means that for building health you gain a lot extra. This is really powerful as health counters both AD and AP especially early on as no one has very much damage. So now with every tank reaching 2000 Health after 1 health item and Cinderhulk means by mid game they have a lot of health, armour, mr and adequate damage to win teamfights. Also not to mention cinderhulk was a major fucking buff (pardon my french) since it allows Tanks to do what bruisers do and clear camps very quickly. Nautilus Amumu Shyvana are some tanks to note as OP.

BluePolarizer9 votes

tanks are good because they have an ADC to peel for.

Orangesilk22 votes

Not only is Shyvana in a terrible state right now, but really, high survivability means nothing when there's no one on your team to do damage. Back in the assassin meta, it was common to see a toplane assassin, a midlane assassin and a jungle assassin. But right now in the "tank meta" you're only seeing a single tank (the jungler), because their role is to defend and set up plays for the actual damage dealers of a team, too much tank and you're peeling and setting a lot of CC for no-one.

What cinderhulk did was make jungle tanking viable, and since tanks have terrible laning phases, the only place they could possibly be is in the jungle anyways. It just turns out that, now that tanks, which offer great support to a team, can possibly exist in the jungle, they become the most valuable jungle asset.

They naturally crowd out the jungle bruiser picks because they offer more utility and teamfight potential, as long as tanks are viable, the meta will favor having at least one. Wait for the tank meta to develop a bit and we'll see a comeback from the tank-busters like Trundle, Jax and Shyvana, and expect BotRK to be built more often by ADC's. I'd hate for Riot to kneejerk nerf before letting a healthy meta develop.

Marinaras Trench1 votes

Then why has Shyvana been played in the lcs with a huge amount of success this playoff?

Earl Eulrich1 votes

success? maybe you have seen a replay of S2 games?

Krevik2 votes

I believe Shyvana is 1-2 in NA and 1-3 in EU. Not exactly what I'd call huge success...

Earl Eulrich1 votes

pretty similar in China and Korea...and the games which had been won despite a shyvana would have been won with toplane teemo aswell, considering her impact on the games.

Orangesilk1 votes

Some teams attempted toplane smite Shyvana as an off-meta pick in an attempt to pull off a midlane Urgot. They mostly failed, the champion simply doesn't have a particularly outstanding lane, and has little to no impact in skirmishes and fights.

Silents4299 votes

But they aren't dominating. They are just viable.

Feathermane1 votes

They are dominating, teams are made up of four tanks and an adc.

Silents4291 votes

That has always been a thing.

Split pushing, item 3035 item 3135 item 3071 are easily capable of stopping it, or the terribly shitty early game all the tanks have that other champions will abuse making it unlikely they will win anyway.

I will assume you didn't attempt to imply the cinderhulk caused the 4 tank 1 adc comp so.

Ice Weasel X14 votes

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The reason I say this is because tanks have quite a few niches such as mobility and being able to be kited. This offers quite a bit of counter play and not to mention item 3071 item 3135 item 3151 item 3035 exist. Where as Mage/Assassin META was burst your opponents face in then run and repeat. Tank META offers smarter thinking since there are hard counter items for tanks and also the fact that they are so team reliant.

Just a nitpick, but it's not an acronym. There's no need to capitalize all the letters. Meta merely refers to the current state of the game. It's an additional set of unofficial rules and guidelines to which the majority of players adhere. Meta- is a prefix, and the full relevant term for LoL would be metagame. Players are "gaming" the game by figuring out what strategies are most effective within the current constraints.

Anidan13 votes

He might have capitalized it because some people like to make it an acronym of "Most Efficient Tactics Available."

Carry on, though. I really don't mean to impede you, because I agree.

AdgharKH16 votes

That's one of the silliest backronyms I've heard since fornication under consent of king.

King Odin3 votes

Just a nitpick, but it's not an acronym.

Sorry was referring to it as the acronym not the prefix. Thanks for the pointers though.

junglerboy163 votes

The acronym is just a gimmick really, meta as a word means the almost same thing, just it isn't restricted to the gaming world. You can have anything from metanarrative (the "great story" or story of the world) to metaphysics (philosophy focused on the fundamental nature of existence) to metagame (the abstract or undefined set of systems in a game that transcend mechanical rules, guidelines, or similar systems).

Dracpro12 votes

My best champions are assassins and even i love this meta. Assassins goal is to explode their ADCs and Midlaners and now you actually need to plan on how to go about doing it. Takes more skill now.

WooBeeWoo4 votes

I really appreciate the fact that you as a person who plays a role that got indirectly 'nerfed' by the change can say that. Its important that assassins take high skill to play with imo its almost a part of what they do.

Brotha7 votes

I have to agree. Only thing that sucks about it are people who didn't get the memo. Lost two games today i shouldn't have because everyone wanted to be a no cc-carry meanwhile the enemy team had a Maokai, Leona, Chogath, Vladimir and Kalista. Granted it's pretty frustrating when they're capable of tanking an inhib turret for the entire duration of a teamfight and still live to take the goddamn thing down, but better than having an assassin 100-0 you because they had flash up. At least you can run away or lock them down with cc without insta dying.

disregardable2 votes

At least you can run away or lock them down with cc without insta dying.

*unless you're an ADC.

I miss season 4.

KY5KmUJg9B7 votes

ADC if one of the best spots for the tank meta, love melting tanks.

IcyPepper8 votes

Someone locks it down for you and you shred them then.

Gotta protect the adc now.

disregardable2 votes

"shred"-auto-attack for a few seconds until they can get away or their teammates show up to destroy you.

IcyPepper8 votes

The adc is sustained damage, not instant-burst. Of course it's going to take a few seconds. Your tank locks the enemy tank down, you shred them, and then the enemy team is left without a frontline.

At least that's how the strategy goes. Nothing stops your tank and apc from softening them up to cut down on time.

Focus Teemo5 votes

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*unless you're an ADC.

I miss season 4.

Season 4 was absolutely miserable, you couldn't pay me to go back to it. The beginning of the season when people were annoyed by Renekton/Shyvana/Mundo top, and bot's Lucian only meta it wasn't to bad(because wait it gets FAR worse). Later we had 90% ban rate Jax, Yasuo and Ori mid only, Master Yi powerfarming FF stacks to steamroll(was the first time Yi was a legit threat in higher elos, because of how broken the item really was), hilariously broken ADCs... namely Tristana, finally Ryze basically facerolling to win every single game including worlds matches. The current Meta is more balanced and enjoyable than all of last season combined. In fact i'm pretty sure season 4 is the sixth level of hell from Dante's Inferno... seriously its as if some people completely forget what happened last season lol.

Saint Archer5 votes

tank meta is definitely my favorite.

Drukyul5 votes

you forgot item 3153

was having trouble dealing with a Chogath as an ADC, that stopped as soon as I picked it up

Zoof1 votes

The problem I feel with botrk is it isn't easy to pick it up early on a lot of ADC's as you really want damage/crit/armpen early which all comes form inf/lw/pd.

IcyPepper2 votes

adc's scale into late-game though, so botrk being your fourth item should be around the time teamfights get super intense.

Worst Mid Ever5 votes

except no one can play adc properly below plat and most popular mid picks don't synergise with liandrys

Kariu Rena4 votes

you are either a bronze 5 -6pojnts player or you are just a cancer cinderhulk jungle main that pretends their champ takes any skill

King Odin9 votes

Please elaborate on what you are trying to say, I got confused after you started typing like you were having a seizure.

warpenguin5554 votes

true as hell.

Ragnar424 votes

Why can't a meta in which every champion is viable be the healthiest meta? I Understand what you're after here, but I want a game where all 130ish champions are potential picks. Tank Meta doesn't provide for that.

warpenguin5554 votes

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Why can't a meta in which every champion is viable be the healthiest meta? I Understand what you're after here, but I want a game where all 130ish champions are potential picks. Tank Meta doesn't provide for that.

that would be the most healthy actually, but that is extremely hard to accomplish

Buttigieg 20202 votes

This is literally exactly what riots balancing team is is trying to accomplish.

Wînter Fox4 votes

I was expecting a pun about the "healthiest" meta because of the high health pools of tanks.

I am disappoint OP

Zair Umbras4 votes

If only Liandry's actually could shred a tank. It does so little damage. 4% per sec of current. Most ADC's attack at 1 per sec with just the BotRK. 4% is so weak compared to 8%. QQ

Mooing Kev3 votes

The variety in picks have never been so diverse in a while. I remember a few months ago the jungle was dominated by the holy trinity of vi,lee and j4. We see mids like urgot now and top laners running smite. As an assassin main it is not the most favorable meta but it is a breath of fresh air from the repetitive jungle picks.

XxxLumberJackxxX3 votes

The tank meta requires more teamwork... This is a teamwork oriented game.

10/10

That doesn't mean some champs/items might not need some tuning.

Critmaster Garen3 votes

what people call a "tank meta" isnt even a tank meta.

tanks arent dominating, theyre just part of the game again.

Astronomity2 votes

Sejuani

IcyPepper4 votes

who was promptly nerfed the next patch

Rito is aware. They might nerf her again.

Velasan2 votes

I used to think so until teams started going all tanks. Had an enemy team go heca, amumu, sion, morg and jinx. Two super speed tanks and two giant snares. Once they were ahead there was no way to kill all three in a team fight even if the adc died first.

Old Man Teeto2 votes

This time, next year, assuming the META remains fairly consistent....

There will be a post saying the opposite with a lot of upvotes.

The Trent2 votes

Balanced Meta is the healthiest meta. It is a Meta where everything is balanced.

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