I know why singed got banned

BLACK REALM GOD··7 votes·1,665 views

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/free-rotation/some-thoughts-support http://imgur.com/7crNai5 https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5cupmb/2_million_mastery_point_smite_support_singed/

they're enforcing support supports starting now.

the article is laughable. ban a support singed and then post a topic stating that the goal is to make support role more attractive to more players without taking away from what makes it appealing to existing support players. i guess that means banning the players who actually want to play support even if it's in a nontraditional sense.

> At present support is a position that significantly fewer players want to play than other roles. That’s unfortunate because it results in: > > Long matchmaking queues (not enough support players to go around). > Players having to play a role they’d prefer not to (getting autofilled to support to partially address the above problem). > Players having to play a role more often than they’d prefer (if they want to queue as support secondary or fill). > > We’d therefore like to make support attractive to more players, without taking away what makes it appealing to existing support players. That’s something we’re planning to put quite a bit of work into in 2017 after we’ve got the pre-season changes generally polished and balanced.

30 Comments

warpenguin55515 votes

He wasn't even supporting. He was jungling while assigned to support. He was not supporting he was trolling

BLACK REALM GOD3 votes

oh yeah, okay sure... you know because bard doesnt do that or anything. im sure there was absolutely no valuable tactic to his choice of strategy. mana comes first on singed. if he's building an income item or he's clearing camps in the enemy jungle to farm extra gold his marksman bottom is doubling their own xp and still earning the same gold as long as they know how to last hit. it doesnt say he refused to go to lane. it says he was refusing to communicate to his team and refusing to cooperate. in other words he chose singed when his team didnt want him to then he muted his team because they were flaming him and played the game. it doesnt say he was intentionally feeding. it doesnt say he was griefing. it doesnt say he was harassing his teammates or the enemies. it literally says he refused to communicate. that boils down to they didnt want you to go singed and you did. in other words if you're in a lobby and someone tells you they dont want you to play a champ then they can report you.

theArtifacts6 votes

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oh yeah, okay sure... you know because bard doesnt do that or anything.

Bard doesn't do that. He is a "wandering caretaker". He is meant to roam the entire map, warding, and assisting his team.

im sure there was absolutely no valuable tactic to his choice of strategy.

This isn't the argument.

in other words if you're in a lobby and someone tells you they dont want you to play a champ then they can report you.

No. In other words if you get a role you're expected to play that role and if it looks like you're intentionally playing a different role it looks that way it doesn't matter if you win, you can be reported.

BLACK REALM GOD2 votes

if bard roams mid and mid complains that bard is in mid im advocating everyone and their mother to report him from this day forward. if he roams past mid and is headed towards top im advocating that everyone and their grandmother report that bard for counter jungling and roaming. if anyone but jungle takes red or blue buff im reporting them for jungling. if i EVER SEE an ivern im immediately reporting him for whatever role he's in because it doesnt matter. supports arent allowed in the jungle. ever. thats what your argument is stating.

if singed didnt benefit from the blue buff. if vision denial wasnt a thing. if roaming top to push the lane while top backs wasnt a legitimate thing. if proxy singed wasnt a thing. if support singed was actually less powerful than bard. if ivern didnt exist. if jungle plants werent added to the game. if nunu didnt exist. if anx's support didnt main brand then i would maybe agree with you.

however every single one of those things exists. so i cannot.

theArtifacts1 votes

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if bard roams mid and mid complains that bard is in mid im advocating everyone and their mother to report him from this day forward. if he roams past mid and is headed towards top im advocating that everyone and their grandmother report that bard for counter jungling and roaming. if anyone but jungle takes red or blue buff im reporting them for jungling. if i EVER SEE an ivern im immediately reporting him for whatever role he's in because it doesnt matter. supports arent allowed in the jungle. ever. thats what your argument is stating.

if singed didnt benefit from the blue buff. if vision denial wasnt a thing. if roaming top to push the lane while top backs wasnt a legitimate thing. if proxy singed wasnt a thing. if support singed was actually less powerful than bard. if ivern didnt exist. if jungle plants werent added to the game. if nunu didnt exist. if anx's support didnt main brand then i would maybe agree with you.

however every single one of those things exists. so i cannot.

LMFAO You are such a child.

Jbels1 votes

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oh yeah, okay sure... you know because bard doesnt do that or anything. im sure there was absolutely no valuable tactic to his choice of strategy. mana comes first on singed. if he's building an income item or he's clearing camps in the enemy jungle to farm extra gold his marksman bottom is doubling their own xp and still earning the same gold as long as they know how to last hit. it doesnt say he refused to go to lane. it says he was refusing to communicate to his team and refusing to cooperate. in other words he chose singed when his team didnt want him to then he muted his team because they were flaming him and played the game. it doesnt say he was intentionally feeding. it doesnt say he was griefing. it doesnt say he was harassing his teammates or the enemies. it literally says he refused to communicate. that boils down to they didnt want you to go singed and you did. in other words if you're in a lobby and someone tells you they dont want you to play a champ then they can report you.

Except you've also made the ADC susceptible to being dived because you're selfishly counterjungling instead of giving your adc the safety to farm

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

the same thing can be said to a roaming bard or a support ivern who goes to clear a camp or anyone who brings a mage to the support lane that isnt a bit beefy. in fact isnt zyra the squishiest champion in the game? no one would argue that by bringing her you're leaving your adc susceptible to dives by the enemy. except tyler1 who got banned. so please explain to me this double standard one more time.

Narsicus2 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFKp_In77ew

Watch the video, he is objectively NOT playing 'support' singed. It is purely a double jungle strategy. Comparing this to bard is just wrong, does Bard not even enter bot lane until level 9?

If you are complaining that the current system does not support alternate strategies, like double jungle, than that is something you can do. But he was queueing up as support, then refusing to fulfill what that role means within League regardless of his teams objections.

I am willing to bet if he was actually bot lane there would be no issues, but he is playing in a way that is simply not supported in the current system unless you are also queuing up with others who are ok with your strategies.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

im sorry what? do you even bother to pay attention to any of his builds or his actual games? the video shows his name. clearly states it in the video. that singed players name when i searched it up shows a singed player with 2m points that is gold in solo/duo and silver in flex. it shows that the person the video is referring to DOES build income items DOES build support items and DOES have assists. in fact he has more assists than anyone on his team. he might not ward, but he does support.

HE LITERALLY SUPPORTS BETTER THAN MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY BUYS SIGHT STONE.

Narsicus2 votes

I did look up his games, he spends so little time in lane that many sites often list him as a jungler, even when there is the obvious REAL person who was given the jungle role in game (they are a traditional jungle champion w/ smite and jungle items and that team lacks a traditional support champion with support items). These sites seem to know what a lot of people are overlooking, that what this Singed is doing is called JUNGLING.

Your argument is basically 'he has assists, therefore he is a support' which is confirmed later when you say he "supports better" which of course you have no idea or metric of outside of assists.

This is just wrong, if I play Zac jungle and build full initiator/tank I will naturally get a lot of assists and relatively few kills. Does that make me a support? If I play support Annie or Brand and end up with less assists than the enemy Janna does that make me a 'bad' support?

Supporting is a very specific role in League. It does not just mean 'support the team in their chances of victory' because that literally applies to every possible strategy. Queueing up as a support than NOT doing that role is what people are pissed about, and in my opinion rightfully so.

Of course this comment is going to come under fire from people proposing that this 'enforces the meta' and 'stifles creativity' and truth be told, it does. But that is the sacrifice for creating 5v5 competitive matches made of 10 people who know nothing about each other. In an ideal world each game would start with some strategizing and off the wall ideas would be experimented with in that conversation, any person who has actually played ranked knows that this does not happen. People want a framework for what they are doing, the success of the new queue where you start off by picking a role shows this off well, that queue obviously 'enforced the meta' but the player base was overwhelmingly supportive of it.

Playing in a way that is supported by none of the traditional roles is a problem in a pick up group type queue, especially if you continue despite what everyone else wants. If you want to break the mold that is fine, just find people that want to do it with you.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

do you not understand how asinine that statement is?

if you play annie or brand support you're getting reported by me from this day forward and i encourage anyone else who plays league to do the same. neither brand nor annie are listed as a support and if singed cant support while getting assists then you sure as hell cant play a non-support as support and not get assists.

the act of supporting automatically has a direct relationship to the amount of assists you get. period.

item 2045item 2303 item 2302 item 2301 item 2049 - does not automatically make you a support.

we're talking about a player who builds

item 3401 item 3109 item 3050 item 3512 item 3116 item 3143 item 3110 in varying forms on his SINGED

and buys

item 2055 item 2055 item 2055 constantly

and brings

summoner 6 summoner 3 summoner 12 summoner 11 in varying amounts

and uses

item 3364 every game.

he does the same thing on Volibear and no one says a word.

annie and brand players buy

item 3027 item 3001 item 3135 item 3157 item 3116 item 3151 and no one says a word.

double standard? i think so.

it's funny looking back on that tyler 1 video now where tyler 1 bans phreaks zyra. back then zyra wasnt considered a support because she hadnt recieved her rework. had phreak not been playing with his friends tyler would have (according to what happened to singed) been in the right to report phreak for not communicating and not cooperating.

personally i dont think what tyler 1 did to phreak back then was right and i dont think what has been done to this singed is right. it's the same thing. if this injustice stands then the toxic community wins.

Narsicus3 votes

You seem to have completely ignored my point, which I find disheartening but not surprising.

The problem here IS NOT that he picked 'Singed support' the problem IS ENTIRELY that he picked Singed support then literally did what no one considers to be things associated with the support role. He was a jungler plain and simple, if he had picked 'Jungler' to go into queue no one would have batted an eye.

Once again, it is not the champion picked, but the role queued for. When you queue as support, you are reasonably expected to do what everyone expects a support to do, and if you plan to do something different that is where you are expected to communicate this to your team.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

nothing in the summoners code defends that argument.

what is defended in the summoners code is

open-minded compositions the choice to mute players you cant get along with.

EDIT

also to your point about "he did nothing that players associate with the support role"

then what's the point of him buying face of the mountain and knights valor?

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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nothing in the summoners code defends that argument.

what is defended in the summoners code is

open-minded compositions the choice to mute players you cant get along with.

EDIT

also to your point about "he did nothing that players associate with the support role"

then what's the point of him buying face of the mountain and knights valor?

sorry but what? there is also something in the summoners code that is pretty much "do not have fun at the expense of others!" you can be open minded about compositions all you want, if the ENTIRE team does not want to play that way then you cannot just decide "fuck this i'm still doing this because this is what i want to do!" he got banned for literally refusing to communicate with his team. No, him telling his team that he is going to do X and then dismissing all their input does not equal him communicating with his team. He was borderline griefing, not only did he caused a negative environment for his team. He pretty much just dismissed any input and everything. He was not supporting, he was not jungling, he was annoying and creating a terrible environment for everyone involved. You want to use a double jungle strategy? then find a group of people who are willing to do so instead of FORCING people to do what you want.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

wrong. that is not what that statement says. number 4 states very clearly

Enjoy Yourself, but not at Anyone Else's Expense

"Short is the joy that guilty pleasure brings." -Euripides

Making games is our business, so it should come as no surprise that we want you to have a lot of fun. We want you to get excited, to have tension-filled moments, and to celebrate your success. This doesn't mean that we're okay with you ruining anybody else's day.

Remember, taking a jab at your friend in the middle of the game is a lot different than making a glib remark at a complete stranger. Someone who is unfamiliar with what you consider playful may take your comment as an attack and react unfavorably. If two players on a team start fighting, good communication and teamwork become nearly impossible. Once communication breaks down, the likelihood of victory is drastically diminished. It isn't uncommon for simple, good natured teasing to spiral out of control into a loss, so do yourself a favor and don't run the risk of sabotaging your own success.


this is saying that players should not harass each other and call each other names. it says absolutely nothing about choosing the champion your team wants you to choose. in fact. let me post the first rule for you.


Support Your Team

"[Teamwork] is the fuel that allows common people to attain uncommon results." -Andrew Carnegie

While we all carry a diverse set of individual ambitions and expectations into a game of League of Legends, once we hit the Field we're a part of a team. For better or worse, our fates are intertwined with that of our teammates. Once the game gets into full swing, you have to make a choice between being a positive force for your team, or contributing to your own demise.

Being a good team player begins at champion select. Be open minded when considering the needs of your team. If you're the last one to pick, try to fill a niche in your team that hasn't already been filled. If everyone's picked and something stands out as a deficiency in your team composition, try asking for another player to fill the gap, or change roles to embrace that responsibility yourself. Remember, that by taking on a role you don't normally play, you'll learn more about unfamiliar champions and increase your own skill level.

Once you get in game, try to keep an open line of communication. Warn your teammates if someone is missing from your lane, or if something is placing them in immediate danger. If they're not paying attention to chat you can always try pinging the map. Just remember that one ping is enough! Also, remember that you have to be there to contribute, so don't leave the game or go AFK! Encourage players who are having trouble, and congratulate those who are playing well. And most of all, if you're having a bad game don't take it out on your team!


what this long triple paragraph says is that

players need to be open minded about team composition

if you're unable to quickly decide your champ you should just pick something that goes with the team

after everyone has DISCUSSED their champs and then if a player decides that there is a major weakness in the team then the team should discuss possibly changing the composition and if no one wants to change then the player who wants to change should change or accept that the weakness isnt worth changing over.

dont be afraid to play champs you're unfamiliar with

TRY to keep an open line of communication

warn allies of immediate danger

you only need to ping once

Don't AFK

Encourage players who are doing poorly

Congratulate players who are doing well

If you're upset keep it to yourself and don't let it affect how you play the game.

and of course good old rule number seven which states clearly that


Be Resolute, not Indignant

"It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience." -Julius Caesar

Intrinsic to the idea of competition is the notion that, when our pride is on the line, emotions tend to run high. Every person that we encounter is going to carry a different set of circumstances with them into the game, and therefore is going to have a different level of tolerance for frustration. If you end up in a game with an abusive player, don't lower yourself to their level. Instead, politely ask them to calm down.And remember, even if you're having a bad game, quitting or going AFK just ruins the game for the rest of the players. If someone's really starting to bother you, the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation.

And remember, while nobody likes being insulted, it pays to take a moment to consider the circumstances. Remember that this is a competitive game, and, more often than not, the other player is just venting their frustration. Try not to take it personally. Everyone has a breaking point and everyone rages sometimes. At some point you may find yourself in the other person's shoes.


this rule states that you should put yourself into an upset players shoes when they lash out at you. if you cant resolve the issue then you should mute them.


so let me clarify what 99% of this community is NOT doing.

they're not putting themselves in this summoners shoes. they are not having an open mind about team composition. they're not taking it upon themselves to make the changes in champ selection. they ARE insulting players for their choices and chanting their AFK anthem. they're NOT pinging only once.

the reality is that a majority of players who play this game dont care about the rights of other players or the summoners code or the repercussions of the EULA. Maybe even some riot employees as well.

what everyone here cares about is winning and to hell with everything else.

regardless of whether or not this person is a good guy or a jerk citing communication and cooperation as reasons for this ban is just not going to cut it in my book as legitimate reason. they may fit the bill under the "we can do whatever we want to your account neenuneenee" clause, but if it weren't for that i'd say this issue would be even bigger than it is right now.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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wrong. that is not what that statement says. number 4 states very clearly

Enjoy Yourself, but not at Anyone Else's Expense

"Short is the joy that guilty pleasure brings." -Euripides

Making games is our business, so it should come as no surprise that we want you to have a lot of fun. We want you to get excited, to have tension-filled moments, and to celebrate your success. This doesn't mean that we're okay with you ruining anybody else's day.

Remember, taking a jab at your friend in the middle of the game is a lot different than making a glib remark at a complete stranger. Someone who is unfamiliar with what you consider playful may take your comment as an attack and react unfavorably. If two players on a team start fighting, good communication and teamwork become nearly impossible. Once communication breaks down, the likelihood of victory is drastically diminished. It isn't uncommon for simple, good natured teasing to spiral out of control into a loss, so do yourself a favor and don't run the risk of sabotaging your own success.


this is saying that players should not harass each other and call each other names. it says absolutely nothing about choosing the champion your team wants you to choose. in fact. let me post the first rule for you.


Support Your Team

"[Teamwork] is the fuel that allows common people to attain uncommon results." -Andrew Carnegie

While we all carry a diverse set of individual ambitions and expectations into a game of League of Legends, once we hit the Field we're a part of a team. For better or worse, our fates are intertwined with that of our teammates. Once the game gets into full swing, you have to make a choice between being a positive force for your team, or contributing to your own demise.

Being a good team player begins at champion select. Be open minded when considering the needs of your team. If you're the last one to pick, try to fill a niche in your team that hasn't already been filled. If everyone's picked and something stands out as a deficiency in your team composition, try asking for another player to fill the gap, or change roles to embrace that responsibility yourself. Remember, that by taking on a role you don't normally play, you'll learn more about unfamiliar champions and increase your own skill level.

Once you get in game, try to keep an open line of communication. Warn your teammates if someone is missing from your lane, or if something is placing them in immediate danger. If they're not paying attention to chat you can always try pinging the map. Just remember that one ping is enough! Also, remember that you have to be there to contribute, so don't leave the game or go AFK! Encourage players who are having trouble, and congratulate those who are playing well. And most of all, if you're having a bad game don't take it out on your team!


what this long triple paragraph says is that

players need to be open minded about team composition

if you're unable to quickly decide your champ you should just pick something that goes with the team

after everyone has DISCUSSED their champs and then if a player decides that there is a major weakness in the team then the team should discuss possibly changing the composition and if no one wants to change then the player who wants to change should change or accept that the weakness isnt worth changing over.

dont be afraid to play champs you're unfamiliar with

TRY to keep an open line of communication

warn allies of immediate danger

you only need to ping once

Don't AFK

Encourage players who are doing poorly

Congratulate players who are doing well

If you're upset keep it to yourself and don't let it affect how you play the game.

and of course good old rule number seven which states clearly that


Be Resolute, not Indignant

"It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience." -Julius Caesar

Intrinsic to the idea of competition is the notion that, when our pride is on the line, emotions tend to run high. Every person that we encounter is going to carry a different set of circumstances with them into the game, and therefore is going to have a different level of tolerance for frustration. If you end up in a game with an abusive player, don't lower yourself to their level. Instead, politely ask them to calm down.And remember, even if you're having a bad game, quitting or going AFK just ruins the game for the rest of the players. If someone's really starting to bother you, the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation.

And remember, while nobody likes being insulted, it pays to take a moment to consider the circumstances. Remember that this is a competitive game, and, more often than not, the other player is just venting their frustration. Try not to take it personally. Everyone has a breaking point and everyone rages sometimes. At some point you may find yourself in the other person's shoes.


this rule states that you should put yourself into an upset players shoes when they lash out at you. if you cant resolve the issue then you should mute them.


so let me clarify what 99% of this community is NOT doing.

they're not putting themselves in this summoners shoes. they are not having an open mind about team composition. they're not taking it upon themselves to make the changes in champ selection. they ARE insulting players for their choices and chanting their AFK anthem. they're NOT pinging only once.

the reality is that a majority of players who play this game dont care about the rights of other players or the summoners code or the repercussions of the EULA. Maybe even some riot employees as well.

what everyone here cares about is winning and to hell with everything else.

regardless of whether or not this person is a good guy or a jerk citing communication and cooperation as reasons for this ban is just not going to cut it in my book as legitimate reason. they may fit the bill under the "we can do whatever we want to your account neenuneenee" clause, but if it weren't for that i'd say this issue would be even bigger than it is right now.

nice long paragraph that i didn't bother reading since you are wrong anyways!

sorry but he got banned RIGHTFULLY SO! don't like it? then leave! trolls are not allowed here

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

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nice long paragraph that i didn't bother reading since you are wrong anyways!

sorry but he got banned RIGHTFULLY SO! don't like it? then leave! trolls are not allowed here

then let me make it shorter for you

summoners code rule number 4 says dont harass others.

summoners code rule number 1 explains that players can choose who they want and if someone doesnt agree with another player's choice then the person who is upset by the choice should take it upon themselves to change their own champion. if an entire team is upset by one player then that entire team needs to find a way to work their teammate into the composition - not flame and harass them into changing their champion.

summoners code rule number 7 says that if you're not getting along with your teammates that you have the right to mute them.

so if you the rest of the community and riot dont like what this player was doing then the code should be updated to reflect that. this player did nothing wrong. NOTHING literally NOTHING on ANY official riot site or instructional video says he cant do what he did.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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then let me make it shorter for you

summoners code rule number 4 says dont harass others.

summoners code rule number 1 explains that players can choose who they want and if someone doesnt agree with another player's choice then the person who is upset by the choice should take it upon themselves to change their own champion. if an entire team is upset by one player then that entire team needs to find a way to work their teammate into the composition - not flame and harass them into changing their champion.

summoners code rule number 7 says that if you're not getting along with your teammates that you have the right to mute them.

so if you the rest of the community and riot dont like what this player was doing then the code should be updated to reflect that. this player did nothing wrong. NOTHING literally NOTHING on ANY official riot site or instructional video says he cant do what he did.

"nothing" so creating a hostile environment is doing nothing... http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/79aGu3wR-support-singed-isnt-banable-but-thats-not-the-point?show=flat&comment=006b why don't you read that instead of making yourself look like a moron? keep defending him it's not making him look any better since you have no idea what communicating means

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

what he did was he was chose to play something that is hated by the community so many times that they decided to put him on a suspension to try and make him conform. the negative environment was created by the fear of singed support. not because of this guy wanting to play it.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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what he did was he was chose to play something that is hated by the community so many times that they decided to put him on a suspension to try and make him conform. the negative environment was created by the fear of singed support. not because of this guy wanting to play it.

sorry but no. He could have picked even Nami as the support but if he did the exact same thing he was doing as singed then he would have been banned regardless! it was his actions IN GAME that caused him to get banned not because he picked singed

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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if you play annie or brand support you're getting reported by me from this day forward and i encourage anyone else who plays league to do the same.

And your reports will be thrown into the trash can until your reports count for nothing.

Your cute little "protest" doesn't actually accomplish anything but making your own reports dog shit.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

oh yeah, okay sure... you know because bard doesnt do that or anything.

Tell me, does singed have a skill that assists his roaming and lets him get back to lane?

No? Then stop using that analogy.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

singed movement speed is higher and his R grants a movement speed bonus. the player also was seen taking teleport and ghost. as well as exhaust and smite. pretty sure everyone can use the blast cones as well. bard might have a speed boost when picking up chimes and a portal through the wall, but his movement speed is less than singed. if singed buys the same boots he doesnt even have to use an ability to make it back to lane before bard. bard HAS to use an ability to get back to lane quicker.

N Pelosi1 votes

Was he trying to win? If the answer to that is yes, he is not trolling in my mind.

OctoberIV5 votes

{quoted}

He wasn't even supporting. He was jungling while assigned to support. He was not supporting he was trolling

^

That stupid fuck deserves it.

Beldair1 votes

Can you not talk about supports since it's obvious you have no clue.

Supports can roam but have to time their roams and have a specific goal to acomplish.

A mid Laner won't be upset if the support roams to mid to help them push just as the adc won't mind as long as it is timed when the enemy was backed. That is why Bard can roam, his kit allows him to roam somewhere and still get back to bot lane fairly quickly.

I am a Support main that plays support in various ways...None have gotten me a ban or major complaints from my team. I may have gotten told I was being a bit too aggressive as Ali (adc was too passive tbh) but that has been the only thing.

So until you truly know Supports like the mains do, then step down.

Singed was going against his team and was not acting even as a roaming support.. That Singed was playing like he was a jungler from what I have been seeing.

So he had that suspension coming.

FourVsFive1 votes

Could an ADC 1v2 if she went tanky items like black cleaver or frozen mallet? Just curious if its possible to pull off, of course she will lose out in CS, but still be able to hold off from losing tower?

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

Graves sure could. probably without either of those items. Lucian obviously. without tanky items Draven pretty sure it was a staple build to buy frozen mallet on him at one time. Caitlyn Jhin long ranged tower security is a poke fest. Ashe excells at 1v2's

GarthBrooksIV1 votes

You don't need tanky items to 1v2 as adc. Warlords bloodlust, wave clear item, life steal, range, and above all -- skill. Best bets would be the champs black realm posted and ezreal. graves doesnt really belong in the bot lane though.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Because of this incident, I'll report every single Teemo support I get when we lose. Hopefully, these assholes could get banned too. I hate that shit. Most useless pick I have ever seen.

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