Holy Crit

TKilljoy·Nov 16, 2015·54 votes·2,482 views

Feeling like the game is becoming centered around crit builds and there is no real defense against it, and thornmails barely a viable solution.

37 Comments

Cpt RastapopulosNov 16, 201516 votes

You spotted a therorical problem, now what do you offer as a solution? New items? Reworked masteries? Champion nerfs?

There are already enough items in my opinion that counter crit. First of all, item 3143 reduces 10% crit damage. Also, item 3075 on a mage/ap tank can be devastating since the damage is magic, therfore stacking with magic pen ( item 3135 for mages, item 3001 for tanks).

I would agree on nerfing the new masteries where you get healed when you crit, and on the new item 3508 which gives too much stats for one item (in my opinion).

You're on a track, you just need to explain your points, show arguments and counter-arguments...

RalanrNov 16, 20152 votes

Could item 3110 be useful against crit builds? Sure it doesn't reduce crit damage, but it could reduce their consistency due to its aura.

Cpt RastapopulosNov 16, 20152 votes

If you're playing support/tank, yes! Since you get 20% CDR AND armor, it's super good for almost any support/tank. It's especially good against Yasuo since the CD of his Q scales with attack speed. By lowering his attack speed, you also lower his CD. But shh! don't tell anyone this is my little secret weapon against him :)

RalanrNov 16, 20152 votes

Personally I'm always hesitant to build Armor vs Yas since his ult ignores 50% of bonus armor (I know it ignores some armor).

Cpt RastapopulosNov 16, 20151 votes

It really depends on what champion you play at that point, and what team you are facing. If for exemple you face Vladimir top Yasuo mid Sejuani jungle Corki adc Annie support , item 3110 isn't really your item of choice.

But against for example Olaf top, Yasuo mid, XinZhao jungle, Jinx adc and Janna support, item 3110 is essential!

SpecterVonBarenNov 16, 20153 votes

Maybe they could add another effect to it where the attack speed slow increases if the enemy crits you?

GenghisEmoNov 17, 20151 votes

tell it to Yasuo XD Or Sated Yi XD

Kuroi86Nov 16, 20154 votes

You forgot item 3047 -10% damage on all basic attacks. Stack with item 3143 Aaaaand you've 20% damage reduction on crits. (Or at least close to that, never checked to see how they stack.)

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbNov 17, 20153 votes

19% reduction on crits. A non-IE crit will deal 1.62x damage instead of 2x, and with IE, it'll be 2.025x instead of 2.5x. It's significant, but you'd need more. If you throw a frozen heart on, you can reduce attack speed by 32%, which is also useful. The items together would result in a 32%-45% reduction in dps, depending on their crit chance. From there, it depends on your armor, as well as their armor pen. You'd have at least 180 bonus armor from this, as well as your base armor, and anything from runes and masteries, but against most ADCs, you could probably manage at least 200 effective armor, which would be a 67% reduction in damage, resulting in a 78%-82% decrease in damage.

While this is a massive decrease in damage, the thing you have to remember is that ADCs have insane damage output. Keep in mind that they won't be the only one you have to tank, and these items do not provide the health you need. A thornmail added on with that would really ruin an AD's day, but you only have 2 items left, and you need health and probably MR. At the same time, you no longer have the luxury of running 1 damage item to actually threaten the AD

Hyrum GraffNov 17, 20151 votes

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19% reduction on crits. A non-IE crit will deal 1.62x damage instead of 2x, and with IE, it'll be 2.025x instead of 2.5x. It's significant, but you'd need more. If you throw a frozen heart on, you can reduce attack speed by 32%, which is also useful. The items together would result in a 32%-45% reduction in dps, depending on their crit chance. From there, it depends on your armor, as well as their armor pen. You'd have at least 180 bonus armor from this, as well as your base armor, and anything from runes and masteries, but against most ADCs, you could probably manage at least 200 effective armor, which would be a 67% reduction in damage, resulting in a 78%-82% decrease in damage.

While this is a massive decrease in damage, the thing you have to remember is that ADCs have insane damage output. Keep in mind that they won't be the only one you have to tank, and these items do not provide the health you need. A thornmail added on with that would really ruin an AD's day, but you only have 2 items left, and you need health and probably MR. At the same time, you no longer have the luxury of running 1 damage item to actually threaten the AD

item 3143 item 3047 item 3075 item 3110

RysophageNov 17, 20151 votes

item 3036

Hyrum GraffNov 17, 20151 votes

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2 => 3 damage every 2 seconds. Enjoy

Kuroi86Nov 17, 20151 votes

I also neglected to include Bond of Stone, that can grant you an additional 2-8% damage reduction.

Honestly, I'd run either Frozen Heart or Thornmail, not both. At that point you've over 100 effective health and should be grabbing some MR and health. I almost never run a damage item unless I'm playing bruiser or doing a cheese build.

TransgressorNov 17, 20151 votes

I also spotted a practical problem.

You're suggesting homogenizing the itemization to counter all the cancer from this patch. This is a problem in itself. You don't counter non-existant diversity by building the same every game on every single tank no matter how they function. You fucking fix what's giving cancer to the game, or you don't release it in the first place.

MathbalnaseNov 16, 20155 votes

In exchange for all of that extra Crit Chance, AD itemization lost a significant amount of raw AD and even more bonus AS, meaning that those crits are smaller and the opportunities for them are fewer.

TransgressorNov 17, 20151 votes

-Masteries -Flexibility -Immense sustain -Grevious Wounds(they shut down an entire class of champions) -Reworks -Buffs -New toys to use

I say, they didn't get jack shit in exhange. Nothing is smaller in a 80%crit Vayne or cancer Yasuo. No opportunities are wasted when a Graves stomps my entire worthless team. Don't spread misinformation.

MathbalnaseNov 17, 20152 votes

They get fewer AAs (because AS from items was nerfed) with lower raw AD values (because AD from items was nerfed). This should be easily confirmed by anyone with even minimal literacy skills.

Mecha MaIphiteNov 16, 20155 votes

Malphite Rammus tickles

Hotlin3 FlingNov 16, 20152 votes

Taric item 3070

SpoofghoulNov 16, 20153 votes

Rammus item 3047 item 3143 item 3075

NiaphimNov 16, 20151 votes

item 3742 is better as one of the items

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbNov 17, 20151 votes

item 3068 may as well go in too

DragonSheaNov 17, 20151 votes

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RESPECT THE RAMMUS BITCH!

RysophageNov 17, 20151 votes

How about item 3143 item 3075 item 3068 item 3001 item 3165 item 3047 . This way when you taunt an AD champion, they stand in sunfire which procs morellos so they cant lifesteal and they're taking more damage from sunfire and thornmail since you have the abysal aura. You also have a decent amount of MR and HP so you don't get completely wrecked by mages. This is called item synergy. 90% of LoL players have NO IDEA What it is.

Captainn GinyuNov 16, 20152 votes

Rammus

DrangedCapybaraNov 17, 20151 votes

Malphite

Celeste BenalNov 16, 20152 votes

item 3143

Clockwork MouseNov 16, 20152 votes

Rageblade builds have come into play as well.

AckelopeNov 17, 20152 votes

I thought, and still think, crit should be removed and other ways to give people damage with autos should be found. I realize it would be a decently big project but the amount of raw damage that crits provide is just absurd...

A LiberalNov 17, 20152 votes

Step One: Malphite Rammus or Taric Step Two: Go botlane Step Three: item 2303 item 3047 item 3075 item 3143 item 3110 item 3001 Step Four: CTRL+4 x10

RysophageNov 17, 20152 votes

DrMundo 57+% winrate.

PassionlipNov 16, 20151 votes

It depends on the champ. Against Graves it wouldn't be too useful - he doesn't it a lot often, but a little packing a LOT OF PUNCHES. Instead, against Jinx or Ashe i think it could work. (And against similar champ who go about aspd)