I want to say something to all the akali mains complaining about these changes (not flaming)

dakm102··5 votes·1,707 views

You DO all realize akali is getting a VGU soon right? riot has said that they are doing this as a small change before their big VGU of her. I am reading through this post on akali (you all know which one) and I just am thinking about how nobody brings this up. we have no idea how that is gonna end so until then I don't know what to say. I am not an akali main so I'm not gonna be like "oh this is such a great change" or "oh this change is shit". I just am gonna say "hey. this aint gonna be permanent. theres a big blue sky, waitin right behind the clouds of this rework"

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The 14th Angel3 votes

thats not the point, the point is, we will have to re learn her again, the point is, the nerfs are drastic to 4 of her abilities, and when they do it, they will never go back.

dakm1021 votes

and see this is what sometimes confuses me. I personally have a lot of fun learning something new. I guess I'm different from most players but learning something new is always super fun. I know its gonna be rough but once you relearn her my guess is that she will legitimately be as good as she is on live servers. maybe I'm wrong but this is just my opinion

The 14th Angel1 votes

we know the answer to that opinion. but... your not here to be rude, and i dont wanna be rude.... sigh.... sad day for us mains.... have a nice day man,

Orbv1 votes

Having to relearn a champion has the same effect as them saying "We know you lived through this fantasy, but that fantasy has come to an end because we thought it was unpleasant. So we're taking your vampires/zombies and giving you muppets". It's devastating... If you want something new, find a new champion with different abilities. That was actually part of Riot's mission statement in 2010, that new champions came out every 3 - 4 weeks to keep the game fresh for those who need new things to learn.

People who enjoy a champion like the feeling they get from everything that they've practiced and most likely done ranked with. Having played since season 1, when Karma was turned into what she is now, I had to stop playing her for months...at a time I was playing 4-6 hours every single day. I used Soraka since day 1 and Cassiopeia the day she came out.

Do you know what it's like to have to stop playing your favorite champion because their gameplay went in the opposite direction, their ratios were changed on a weekly basis due to Riot not knowing how effective they were, deciding what to rank first changing regularly because effects too are removed biweekly, nobody caring to read about the changes and hence not being able to react to what you're doing?

I've actually stopped playing LoL, but I come to the site to see the newest updates and to comment. Now I just do Overwatch and Smite on Xb1 because my comp is essentially outdated. But the lingering memories I have of 5 years of playing is, "wow, I had these amazing games when I was doing my best. it's a shame that I couldn't relive that if I were to join back today because of the rework happening. So I would have to move on to so-and-so champion...eh nvm I'll stick to something else." It's weird to keep that mentality, but unfortunately that's what stuck around.

dakm1021 votes

k. thanks for the feedback. its nice to hear a bit about it even though you don't play anymore.

Orbv1 votes

np. People just grow attached to a playstyle and when things change sometimes the things you found fun die with it. I still love the game, it just sucks to see that people feel the way I did during rework time. There have been good reworks, but it's not common.

dakm1021 votes

I feel like the last really good rework was probably the one they did to either yorick or taric and even ryze was ok. I think ryze is just always gonna have issues since the idea of comboing spells gives too many options if you want to make it feel good. but yorick and taric both are really good both design wise and gameplay wise (even though yorick isn't played that much)

Orbv1 votes

Yorick's was a GREAT rework. I stayed up the night he was originally released until I could buy and play him. And he was terrible....just so bad...his ult decayed over 5 seconds, his Q also had to chance the person despite landing an auto, it just made no sense.

His new abilities make so much sense. Don't get me wrong, I got to Gold with him, but it wasn't particularly fun.

Taric I never tried, but people seem happy with him. Ryze you're right, he's always going to have an issue. But then it has the same underlying issue, because they buffed him they had to make his Q a skillshot because it was too powerful as a point and click. Nothing's wrong with point and click, unless you can spam them a dozen times to win (ryze/cass)

Those were good examples

Ralanr3 votes

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thats not the point, the point is, we will have to re learn her again, the point is, the nerfs are drastic to 4 of her abilities, and when they do it, they will never go back.

That's a fucking terrible argument for any rework because that's often the most common result of a rework.

The 14th Angel1 votes

theirs much more to it. im just tired of having to write out long ass pages that wont get recognized by riot. i want to tell you. but you are one of many... i want a rioter to respond.

Orbv1 votes

It is actually not a terrible argument for any rework, because it's anti-champion rework, which makes it EXACTLY the correct argument. The reason Riot reworks anything is because they rather add new elements to the game than create a new champion or change itemization.

If they don't like the direction that Akali is in, keep the way she is played, fix her ratios and change items so that they enhance how she is played. The rework is now making it mandatory to play her as a tank character, changing the champion to work around the items instead of the reverse...when she was an assassin. Those are literally opposite game styles. Why on earth would a player who loves Akali want to play her like that?

Ralanr2 votes

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It is actually not a terrible argument for any rework, because it's anti-champion rework, which makes it EXACTLY the correct argument. The reason Riot reworks anything is because they rather add new elements to the game than create a new champion or change itemization.

If they don't like the direction that Akali is in, keep the way she is played, fix her ratios and change items so that they enhance how she is played. The rework is now making it mandatory to play her as a tank character, changing the champion to work around the items instead of the reverse...when she was an assassin. Those are literally opposite game styles. Why on earth would a player who loves Akali want to play her like that?

Unless it's a full VGU where it's going to be so different from the original product that it's a different champion and requires to be fully relearned.

You can't honestly expect someone to not need to relearn at least some aspects of a champion after a rework. Reworks change how champions function, of course you'd have to relearn them!

Orbv1 votes

The issue is not that a rework always forces you to relearn a champion. This specific issue is that Akali is being reworked...again...and that leads to permanent issues that don't get rehashed.

The last time she was changed, several elements things were changed for the worse (like immediately being visible upon exited the shroud), and Riot has a policy against reversing changes despite them being flawed. They instead choose to make more changes or edit ratios to make it work.

This has been the case for Cassiopeia (and others), she was terrible, but they bumped those ratios up until they became so powerful that it was useable but still incredibly flawed.

Ralanr2 votes

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The issue is not that a rework always forces you to relearn a champion. This specific issue is that Akali is being reworked...again...and that leads to permanent issues that don't get rehashed.

The last time she was changed, several elements things were changed for the worse (like immediately being visible upon exited the shroud), and Riot has a policy against reversing changes despite them being flawed. They instead choose to make more changes or edit ratios to make it work.

This has been the case for Cassiopeia (and others), she was terrible, but they bumped those ratios up until they became so powerful that it was useable but still incredibly flawed.

I can agree.

Orbv1 votes

I do agree that their's always re-learning to do though, that caught me XD

yoshi27901 votes

"soon"

I don't want to play Akali like this until season 8/9.

dakm1021 votes

fair enough. kinda how I felt when I used to play talon and I just though to myself "why don't I play zed" I'm a support main nowadays but I know the feel ;-;. it will probably be around late season 7 that she is reworked tbh. no idea though

Talisid1 votes

I thought Warwick and Urgot were the next up on the VGU list. I don't think her rework is coming all that soon or they wouldn't have bothered putting time into this mini-update.

Kingdom Corn1 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202294884-Champion-Update-Schedule Warwick and galio. If we are lucky... Well if akali players are lucky including me (I am not a main I just enjoy playing her) we hope that update will be after MSI 2017... But then again there are champions that people might say "they deserve a VGU more" such as urgot eve.

Kingdom Corn1 votes

She is not getting it soon I am pretty sure. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202294884-Champion-Update-Schedule MAYBE after mid season update if we are lucky she will be updated because warwick and galio have been in the works for quite a while now and akali... Well no one has started doing shit on her as far as I know.

DeathTheHorseman1 votes

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You DO all realize akali is getting a VGU soon right? riot has said that they are doing this as a small change before their big VGU of her. I am reading through this post on akali (you all know which one) and I just am thinking about how nobody brings this up. we have no idea how that is gonna end so until then I don't know what to say. I am not an akali main so I'm not gonna be like "oh this is such a great change" or "oh this change is shit". I just am gonna say "hey. this aint gonna be permanent. theres a big blue sky, waitin right behind the clouds of this rework"

#She is not getting a VGU soon!

#She is getting a VGU soon ™

Know the difference!

The VGU is not going to come in next season so we will most likely get it Either December 2017 or March 2018 (and thats the Soonest ™ it will probably be delayed further)

What Riot is doing right now is making all the hardcore mains fck off from this game for 1 year at least. (and probably never come back once they withdraw).

True we are a laughable number (under 500) so Riot loses almost nothing except

The people who play Akali but do not main her will remember! They will keep playing the game and for them Riots image goes even further down the drain and once Riot decides to touch their other champions they will leave because they know that Riot will lie to them and then ignore their outcry.

They will remember how Riot lied to us about everything here on the boards and decided to completely gut our champion after promising us more outplay potential and stronger Akali in Higher Elo. (Yeah there is more outplay but only against her and it is in every Elo because they gutted the damage on a champion with no Utility)

Jesus Is My King1 votes

"You DO all realize akali is getting a VGU soon right?" lmao. soon is 2 years huh

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