There is too much cc in League.

Dovahkiin416·Sep 24, 2016·8 votes·1,425 views

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Be it random perma-slows you'll get during teamfights, or EVERY NEW CHAMPION getting some form of cc. Its getting to be a little ridiculous. Tenacity needs buffed, or cc needs to be reduced globally.

33 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 24, 20164 votes

there is too much burst and damage

Warlord ZudaneSep 24, 20162 votes

item 3140 item 3139 item 3222 are 3 items that can clear all CC. Plus champion abilities and being able to counter attack.

CC is bad, but it's not terrible and it can be cleared.

Irelia BotSep 24, 20161 votes

"can clear all CC" check yourself before you wreak yourself trying to build the last one against WW. the first 2 remove all CC but if the slow is AoE it will reapply automatically

Warlord ZudaneSep 24, 20161 votes

Right... right... it doesn't stop suppression or airborne.

But come on, CC is not that hard to counter. Having a problem with slow? Stop running away then, or admit that you've freaking been outplayed.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Suppression#Countering_Crowd_Control

Irelia BotSep 24, 20161 votes

It is also not hard to get a perma slow because of three items in the game that apply regular slows.

Dovahkiin416Sep 24, 20161 votes

Which compared to the amount of cc in this game is not enough. Just a tenacity buff would be great for this game IMO

PennsSep 24, 20162 votes

Only really useful against long, high cooldown cc tho. Theyre not going to help a lot against that item 3116 Cassiopeia

TalinisSep 24, 20163 votes

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Only really useful against long, high cooldown cc tho. Theyre not going to help a lot against that

There is an easy fix for that and frozen mallet. Just have it have a CD to the same target before it can be reapplied. Simple

Mistress ShyvanaSep 24, 20161 votes

F*cking this^ give this person a medal.

PennsSep 24, 20161 votes

I dont think Mallet would need a nerf because Gnar and maybe Yasuo are the only champs that really build it. Rylais like literally changed the mid lane meta with the mage update, making assassins kind of weak and tanky mages pretty broken.

TheorcheroSep 24, 20162 votes

The problem is that knockups can't be reduced by tenacity, and there's crazy amounts of them now.

RalanrSep 24, 20161 votes

Making tenacity effect knock ups would actually lead to it being made weaker because a lot of champions rely on knock ups.

TheorcheroSep 24, 20161 votes

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Making tenacity effect knock ups would actually lead to it being made weaker because a lot of champions rely on knock ups.

Knockups were added specifically to avoid tenacity, and they were supposed to be SPECIAL cases.

But now, everyone and their mother has knockups and displacements, so the importance of making knockups immune to tenacity is no longer relevant, to the point that actual tenacity is fucking worthless.

RalanrSep 24, 20161 votes

Then you need to increase tenacity because some knock ups would become useless if they were effected by knock ups.

MarshbouySep 24, 20161 votes

I thought the general consensus was that champions lacking in CC are cancer...

Dovahkiin416Sep 24, 20161 votes

Cancer to me is champions that are just unfun to play against or are too oppressive.

MarshbouySep 24, 20162 votes

Im gonna make a list of champions with no in built hard CC. MasterYi Tryndamere Kayle Illaoi Fiora the list goes on. If you notice something all of them are either stat sticks like DrMundo or Nunu or cancer/feast or famine. Not saying that every champion should have some form of hard CC, but releasing a multitude of CC less champions is going to make the game pretty feast/famine.

Big LincolnSep 24, 20162 votes

i'd rather have feast/famine than have champs get curb-stomped and then still be more useful than me because they have a slow or a stun or a knockup on every other ability tbh. way more interesting that way

CC should be primarily reserved for supports and tanks and given very conservatively to the rest of the roster. this low cooldown might-as-well-be-a-permaslow shit needs to stop too.

also item 3116 item 3022 - delete these for game improvement

MarshbouySep 24, 20161 votes

i'd rather have feast/famine

You really don't want feast or famine

Big LincolnSep 24, 20161 votes

most of my champions are feast or famine already and I like them that way

you should be rewarded for shutting down Darius Illaoi Veigar in lane

What I don't want is to shit on some dumb fuck like Gnar or TahmKench or Lissandra only for them to still be a nuisance because they can just slow me endlessly from range. it's complete bullshit how these guys were designed

or pretty much any DoT or DPS mage as soon as they finish Rylai's being able to kite me to death with minimal effort

MarshbouySep 24, 20162 votes

No. A champion shouldn't just be deleted from the game because you find them a "nuisance"

Big LincolnSep 24, 20161 votes

if I crush them hard in lane they should not be more useful than me in teamfights by virtue of bullshit endless CC

the commonness of CC in this game is the problem. it's horrible design and only enforces the mobility creep that everyone complains about

it needs to go

MarshbouySep 24, 20162 votes

Yeah because getting countered means that it should now be a 4v5. if you want that kind of gameplay, go to dota2. League isn't about making someone useless for the rest of the game.

Big LincolnSep 24, 20161 votes

bullshit, there are anti-melee champions that do exactly that, and they don't even need to fed to do it.

Lissandra Gnar Kennen Velkoz Quinn will never be caught by a melee without dashes unless someone else interferes.

interestingly enough, we don't have any melee champion who is anti-range to the same degree

RalanrSep 24, 20161 votes

How would you even do anti ranged?

And the game doesn't end with laning.

Big LincolnSep 25, 20161 votes

the point I'm trying to make is that hard counters are in League, and League players are okay with them because they aren't melee.

And also that feast/famine is far better and more interesting than "you can always be useful to the team unless you picked melee"

You could do anti-ranged by making an ability that disjoints auto attacks and spells that are done from beyond X minimum range; anything closer still works so melee champions aren't hindered in melee range, but ADCs and mages are at a loss. tbh I think that disjointing autos is a mechanic League should've implemented to begin with; it'd make ADCs so much less cancerous if there were actual answers to it besides bursting them before they can blink.

RalanrSep 25, 20161 votes

I really have to disagree with feast or famine. It isn't fun being in the famine aspect.

Big LincolnSep 25, 20161 votes

It's not fun being invalidated by slow spams and stuns either, but yet this is the dominant gameplay in League right now

Lordk0zSep 24, 20161 votes

The problem is Rylais and Mallet is over-used on mages and ADCs respectively They were meant for AP and AD Melees as stick, not yet more kite.

l Helios lSep 24, 20161 votes

Utility on champion makes them easier to balance than if they only had damage. If there's 2 things you can bring to a fight, you can tone down on one and leave the other as the premier trait while the champion also has the secondary that can be useful but not overbearing. That was the premise with the Ryze ult change.