With the upcoming revamp to the rune system

Brain Errör 404·Jul 4, 2017·54 votes·3,117 views

Don't you guys think it'd be fair enough to make runes free right now? It's basically a waste of IP for anyone to invest in runes right now...

41 Comments

PennsJul 4, 201725 votes

Ye I wanted to learn Aurelion.. but then I saw.. https://i.gyazo.com/e695c78a1f01b0fb8204b450ebb86591.png https://i.gyazo.com/9c9c7c3878632f91739f921912426d02.png https://img.memecdn.com/cost-too-much_o_3259777.jpg

masterdomloJul 5, 20171 votes

same goes for when u want 2 play Hecarim (its works without it but its better with it)

SteelMankindJul 5, 20173 votes

Do you have Armor/MR quints? A lot of Sol players use those against hard matchups. Also, magic pen quints are greedy, but still better than AP, so if you have those you'd be ok.

EDIT: Don't learn Sol this patch. He currently has this super annoying bug where the actual hitbox of his stars is shifted over from the visual indicator. Hopefully Riot fixes it soon

Titanium70Jul 5, 20171 votes

Oh.. that's why I doubted my own senses last game with him.... wow.... RITO PLS!!!

doiminat0r3600Jul 4, 20179 votes

They're going to give back to people who bought runes and rune pages. If they give them out for free, everyone would be fully compensated for all the possible runes.

Brain Errör 404Jul 4, 20174 votes

We don't know what the compensation is at this point. They could simply put 2 sets of t3s in the store: those for IP that grants you the reward and free ones that invalidates you from receiving any compensation.

doiminat0r3600Jul 4, 20175 votes

Do you even know how the new rune system will work? There are no t3 runes.
There are only major and minor runes. None of the new ones are even in the shop right now.
All of the new ones will be free. Not knowing the compensation =/= putting all of the current runes for free

There's so much wrong with what you're arguing with on this post that I don't believe that you believe this is a good idea.

Brain Errör 404Jul 5, 201710 votes

Do YOU even know what I'm talking about? You're literally making up bullshit arguments that I'm NOT even talking about. What I'm stating has NOTHING to do with the new rune system and everything to do with what we have now.

If people are so concerned about compensation being "free" then why would my idea be in any way, shape or form bad? People that just want the runes without caring about compensation will get what they want. People that want to stock up for compensation will have runes available for IP. What aren't you getting?

I know the new runes will be free. I'm talking about patching it in before we even get to that point so people can have their runes and experiment whiles they last. It's pointless buying them right now as they will be removed and replaced. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?

You can criticize my idea if you don't like it, but don't make it out to look like I'm retarded when you're on a different page than me.

doiminat0r3600Jul 5, 20171 votes

literally called "with the upcoming revamp to the rune system"

But it has nothing to do with the new system??? Really???

People are conserned about compensation being free because otherwise, their efforts and time put into getting runes would be pointless. It's like putting something on layaway/rent to own, then when you get enough to buy it, they take it off the market and say you can't buy it anymore, thus the money you put on the account is pointless. You'd be pissed if you didnt get compensation wouldn't you? If the current runes were free, the entire playerbase would get the compensation instead of the ones that purchased it with thousands of IP.

The compensation will be based on how many you own. Not how much you spent on the runes.

I don't like your idea because it doesn't make any logical sense. Why would Riot implement an "opt in/out" system for paid runes? That would kill balance completely until the launch of new runes (which would all be available for free) or until the removal of the system you're thinking of. Why would some players only get access to the runes they paid for and get compensation while others can stomp them in game for a few weeks but get no compensation? That's not a good idea. At all.

Brain Errör 404Jul 5, 20175 votes

Because compensation is based on personal preference. Not everyone cares about the small "compensation" that you'll end up getting anyways. It's either going to be a skin or icon, literally nothing game changing for some people to care about. Not everyone is all about aesthetics.

That's why I also suggested a cut off points. "Runes owned or bought after x time will not count towards compensation". I just want the runes NOW without sinking time and effort into them for it to be taken away.

Your example is also flawed. The money is still on your account so there for it isn't "pointless" as money can't and will never be invalid. What compensation should you even get in that situation? You saved up for it, but it's no longer available. That shit happens all the time and no one is ever compensated for it.

Compensation is literally just an added bonus to satisfy the vast majority who believe the world owes them something. It's especially even more so when you think about it in game standards. Don't bring real life problems to a game. It'll never work.

So, again, how does my idea make no logical sense? You keep running around screaming "compensation, compensation, compensation". Well I, for one, don't give a rats ass about compensation. They can compensate me for my REAL money spent on rune pages, but for IP that I earned playing a game and having fun with? Please dude, we don't NEED any compensation because we've gotten more free shit than we can chew on. I'm simply looking for a way for me to enjoy the game without artificial faults that make no sense. Having runes still tied to a price after announcing that runes will be FREE is a fault.

The second they put that video out, they should've made runes free and cut off the compensation process at that point. Why? Because now you'll have people with shit loads of IP buying more runes for bigger reward load outs. The only people that will benefit are people who have craptons of IP to buy out the rune stores. Other than that, those still struggling to finish their rune pages are now essentially wasting their time working towards a goal that isn't even a reality anymore. You keep saying my idea is bad. But all I'm hearing is, "Your idea is bad because I don't want people getting MY compensation for FREE". You're only thinking about yourself. Well guess what, you're not the only one playing this game and MORE people will appreciate runes being free than riot being stingy because of a select few.

aspects1Jul 5, 20171 votes

theres keystone runes as well 1 keystone, 2 major, 4 minor

doiminat0r3600Jul 5, 20171 votes

I know what it will have, but I was stating what it will not have.

Dr PoroJul 5, 20171 votes

They can simply snapshot the current state of runes for each account and then make them free... It doesn't take a genius to come up with that.

doiminat0r3600Jul 5, 20171 votes

"simply" doesn't apply for millions of players. keeping track of that large of a database would be expensive and pointless as it will become obsolete in a week or so.

CowseedJul 5, 20174 votes

I really would at least like to experiment with some of the runes. They could simply just make identical tier 4 runes that are the exact same as the tier 3 runes but cost around 0/1 IP.

Then at the end off all this the tier four runes would NOT count towards compensation and the tier three can still be used to count towards it. People are also still able to cash out on the tier 3 runes if they want the bonuses anyway.

Brain Errör 404Jul 5, 20171 votes

I'm fine with this idea as well.

MordepoolJul 4, 20173 votes

The rewards returned are based off how many runes and rune pages you have accured throughout your career. Making it free right now would invalidate that reward policy

Brain Errör 404Jul 4, 20174 votes

Cut the reward policy at this point. Give people a 2week deadline, w/e. I'm pretty sure, at this point, most people would rather experiment with runes for their last remaining months rather than grinding out games trying to buy runes that will disappear soon. People can invest the rest of their IP into champs or trying to get mastery 7 on their favorite champ or something.

Most new players won't even be able to get much benefits from now till the update anyways.

SweedishGunnerJul 5, 20173 votes

I want to give a full Mpen page a go before it disappears but it's just a waste at this point.

J4 Ulted MexicoJul 4, 20172 votes

While you're at it give us more rune pages -.-

KarfussJul 5, 20172 votes

On the bright side, they MUST compensate everyone for it. Even if you bought them now. For all the IP boosts someone has purchased for Runes, for all the Runes accrued, for all the pages bought with IP and RP (unless pages remain a thing, which I don't know).

What that compensation will be isn't known, but people have sunk tens of thousands of IP on runes. Some have played casually for years and don't have a full set, passing up the opportunity to buy champions even. Whatever it'll be, it'll have to be good. A mere border or icon won't cut it.

Brain Errör 404Jul 5, 20171 votes

A mere border/icon or skin is all we're gonna get. I really don't know what people expect to get at this point, lol. Some kinda special skin line is the BEST they can. A permanent ribbon on your loading screen border is also nice and an icon to go with it will just be icing on the cake. But there really isn't MUCH they can do.

KarfussJul 5, 20172 votes

I ruled out skins on the basis that Riot don't like the unobtainable skin stance they once had.

If I consider all the times I had to choose runes and pages over picking new champions, while my account was new, then an icon or border just wouldn't cut it for me personally.

Brain Errör 404Jul 5, 20171 votes

What more could you honestly expect? They could dish out champ shards, but people like me already have all champs. There isn't much for me to spend IP on regardless, so the runes still costing anything for me don't really matter. They best they can do is either dish out skins or chromas. That is the BEST they can do. Bare minimum would be icons or border.

HyperiönJul 5, 20171 votes

Honestly, I wouldn't mind just getting my IP given back to me, or atleast half of it.

I already have all of the champions. But it would be nice to have if they ever made skins available through IP.

TheDangerousTacoJul 5, 20171 votes

I think your thinking too far inside the box my friend. We have no idea what the final implementations of this system will be. We only have speculation. With that being said, riot doesn't have to be so linear with there ideas.

They can give players anything they wanted.

Custom setups
Have 2-3 high class runes still bought with ip, yet those who already had a lot of runes get it free
A survey poll that allows people to vote in there next rune designs
Custom game modes
IN game animtions from icons
RP ( cause people spent a lot on pages )
Custom signed artcards
PBE access

IM NOT SAYING ANY of these will be true, or that there good ideas. I'm just pointing out the fact that there are a lot of ways they can reimburse people. Saying " its all they can do" its a bit too simple minded don't you think?

Brain Errör 404Jul 5, 20171 votes

custom setups
custom signed artcards
custom icons

^ These are also added things that can be done. Restricted game mode/in game animation/PBE access/survey polls are all off the list. It's a free game. They don't give some kind of VIP access to stuff just because you spent a little more time than other players playing the game. It's not that I'm being small minded or anything, it's just that because of how league is set up, there really isn't much they can do. I mean, it's not an MMO. We won't get some memorial T-shirt or something that's a one size fit all type of deal.

TheDangerousTacoJul 6, 20171 votes

I understand league has its limiations. But that was not the point of my post. My post was merely to point out the fact that as a studio, riot has alot more imagination than us. Im sure they will find some unique way to reimburse plaeyrs that we wont even think about. Nothing is set in stone, nothing is limited.

PaladinNOJul 5, 20171 votes

Regarding compensation for runes, there seems to have been made a suggestion: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4pjkl4/riot_rune_survey/

To my knowledge, this survey was only given out to select people, and I have been unable to get a response regarding its authenticity from any Red I have asked about it.

Brain Errör 404Jul 5, 20171 votes

Yeah, it's all cosmetics in the end. Even a volibear skin. I don't mind it though. better than nothing if they go with this system. I'm all game for it instead of just the regular chests.

xXRaichopXxJul 4, 20171 votes

Riot said they would have a way to take care of people that invested in runes over the years.

Lintu PuckJul 5, 20171 votes

stop trying to ask for free stuff -.- Riot themselves are currently working on how they will compensate players for buying runes for when they roll out runes reforged. if you feel getting runes are a waste at this point, then just don't buy them.

Brain Errör 404Jul 5, 20171 votes

I'm not asking for any "free" stuff. I've spent 2+ years on this game, plus sunk around $1k+ dollars. I've unloaded over 60k+ IP EASILY on runes. I don't care about the compensation or even what they have planned for it. Just hearing runes will be free already makes me happy. It's simply just not about me. I'm asking for all my friends etc who are still struggling to finish rune pages. They wanna grind IP to get their runes and I have to sit there and tell them they're better off getting champions and waiting for preseason instead of investing any IP in runes. This makes their games tougher and I can't, out of good will, encourage ANY new players to buy runes.

I really don't get how people can't see how damaging it is that runes still have a price attached to them right now.

DurzakaJul 5, 20171 votes

I really wish they would, because I really want to try a lot of junglers who benefit from sCDR or flat CDR runes, but i never bought them, but now would feel like a waste if I did, so i kinda just am suffering instead.

Dr PoroJul 5, 20171 votes

At first I thought you were talkingabout making the upcoming runes for free. I was like "uh they already said they will'. But it's about the current runes, and yeah, I completely agree with you. It probably depends on how long it'll be until the new runes come out. If it's more than 3 months, it's worth investing into maknig that period of time better.

DarkRitualJul 5, 20171 votes

It depends how they transition. If you get X in return for every Y IP value on runes you had, then going free won't work, and would actually take an option away from them.

I would like to see getting a special crafting item for every X IP value in runes you had. That crafting item can be turned into Y IP, Some champion shards, some skin shards, or combine a number of them into a gemstone.

StarGuardianWeebJul 5, 20171 votes

Yeah thats part of why i suspect that whatever compensation they have comin for runes will be based on how much youve spent, and to calculate that they cant mess with prices.

Cause I was saying the same thing from the moment meddler confirmed they were thinking about it, i'd have loved to try crazy rune shit like XP runes on Zilean or all the gold gaining runes on TF.

Sleepy SonaJul 5, 20171 votes

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Brain Errör 404Jul 5, 20171 votes

Someone posted a survey but was unable to check the authenticity of it. If they use that use that table, though, then they do base it on prices and not just runes owned (as someone was arguing ). So if they implemented 2 sets of runes -- one for IP and one for free, then people can still stock up IP bonuses for the rewards compared to those who just want the runes to fool around with. I'd settle for those.

T2s aren't as good and you don't have as many combination for T2s, so it's even worse. But I use T2s on my smurfs as well.

toorazamakiJul 6, 20171 votes

I literally wasted 12000 or more ip just for runes. Am I getting that refunded when runes become free? I bet not but I think making runes free is gonna make the game bad because riot will change the runes nerfing or removing a bunch of runes since they are more available to everyone. Example, most people wouldn't buy full ad runes because it's expensive on ip and super troll when you can have armor and magic resist runes in glyphs and seals. But if runes become free, I'm sure riot will further nerf things such as full ad runes, etc.

example: full ap runes give you like 36 ap. Trade off is that it costs a ton of ip and you lose armor, health, magic resist, cooldown. But if runes are free, riot will probably nerf full ap runes and make it like 30 ap instead of 36 since everyone is now able to get those runes without purchasing with ip. So overall that's what I'm afraid of. I like doing runes outside of those guides on youtube and mobafire builds. I just like to experiment but if runes get nerfed because they are free, I don't want that. Please don't make them free and if you do, please don't nerf because now all runes are free. It's gonna be really annoying just like how we can't buy mana pots anymore!! WHAT THE HECK RIOT!