+ 120 Armor/MR from E + Strength of Ages = ranged tank assasin with unlimited mobility. Atleast another high damage champs that build offtank such as 
and 
have to stay in melee range to kill me. 
has ranged auto attacks, Q has 950 range and R has 800/1000 range
: Lalala getting hit by minions and turrets lalala healing and still fighting.
Riot: Let's nerf Akali for being too hard to play against in yolo q.
I'd mostly say he's to tanky(with to much damage) for beeing ranged, while also haveing a burst/hit 'n run pattern and a dash... Up to 120 armor and mr, the only melee that gets such a massive def steroid is rammus. Shyvana, who not only is a melee with no gapcloser outsode of her stoppable ult once a fight, and actually needs to stay in melee-range, gets only 40 armor/mr...but hey, melees don't need to get compenstated for the MASSIVE disadvantage they have -,-
Most graves i see get 
and 
not sure is situationally better im sure, but the is almost always better on graves because it makes him even tankier vs his target ;D
i've had graves that went warmogs and owned me as rengar. couldn't even chunck half his health as a full build rengar. his autos hurt too much. and again hes really tanky.
Graves is still broken to the point of being unbeatable. He's an enormous ball of strengths with no weaknesses at all. The only way to beat him is to ban him or hope the guy playing him only has one hand.
https://youtu.be/KWZCIeAdocE?t=164
anyone who thinks that champion is fair is retarded
Graves is super strong in lane, dmg and tankiness. You have to exploit the minon waves to kill him, its a huge huge weakness he has- but even so he takes wayyy to much dmg to drop.
He just outscales like a toplaner, not like an adc. Unless we're talking about corki.
Graves needs to get in your face to do damage, and when theres a team fight going on, he will get insta gibbed if you're smart. You sound like a bronzie, just stick to your training wheels champ
nah 120 MR and Armor for just dashing around isn't tanky at all xD
streaks and maw is the real problem, and red smite too.
But considering the fact that he has to be IN YOUR FACE to do anything...I say it's fair for him to be somewhat tanky.
The problem with his tankiness is that its stacking. Meaning that A) before youre first quickdraw, youre just as squshy as any other ADC with a similar build, B) you need to use quickdraw 4 times to get max stacks, and C) his E has a 14 second cooldown reduced by .5 for each pellet.
What does this mean? First, your build has no crit, so Graves will only be firing 4 pellets each auto. Second, it has 20% CDR, so his 14 second E is lowered to a little over 11 seconds. If he is within melee range of you, his E cooldown gets lowered by 2 seconds per auto. So in the FASTEST of scenarios where he uses quickdraw at the start of the fight (not for the quick reload), he would need to: E - auto x2 (at this time, around 5 seconds left on the cooldown for E) - reload - auto - E - auto x2 - reload - auto - E - auto x2 - reload - auto - E. Youre talking minimum 9 autos and 3 reloads, which is easily around 10 seconds in combat.
But realistically, as you said, he is ranged. He isnt going to hit you with all 4 pellets - he will most likely only get 2 with a non-crit, non IE build. Meaning that youd have to have twice as many atuos and twice as many reloads between uses of his E. From my experience, the only time ive been able to consistently and quickly get max stacks with him is with a traditional ADC build that has 40% CDR and 70% crit, but even then the fight is usually over before the 4th quickdraw.
Concur. He's imbalanced.
Graves isn't too tanky for the damage he deals, the items are ...
Tanky adc assassin jungler. That's pretty much him in a nutshell. I think getting rid of at least one of those things would make him much more balanced.
So is Jax, what else is new?
It's a damn shame that you keep managing to feed him but his Q and R aren't very reliable damage, his beefiness is warranted.
