Just A Reminder That Ahri Has Been God Tier For Two+ Years Now

Prxzm·Nov 15, 2016·22 votes·3,388 views

I made a post a long time ago saying that Ahri had been god tier for 19 months. That was back in late Season 5.

It's now the end of Season 6.

I wasn't able to bring up any archived tier lists beyond 5.12, but I know what I saw. And 5.12-6.22; all god-tier Ahri.

EDIT: I was not making a QQ thread nor saying Ahri is "op". Ahri is my main and I think she's in a perfectly balanced state. I was simply pointing out a statistic that I find interesting. Her kit and damage meshes perfectly to make a champion that is 100% balanced.

41 Comments

SpoofghoulNov 15, 20165 votes

meanwhile

Rito: Sion & Sejuani have been strong for a month now they have had their time in the spotlight it's time to take em down HARD, LIKE FUCKING REALLY HARD, because they are crowding out LeeSin our favorite bastard child

EcchiOtakuTMNov 16, 20161 votes

Woah aside from the useless passive seju is insane.

Sion sadly better top/supp. I heard the new jng buffed him but don't care for it.

Big LincolnNov 16, 20161 votes

sejuani was never bad and she needed the nerfs at that point in time

HyperiönNov 15, 20163 votes

She isn't OP, she is a very safe pick. Her entire kit is skill shots, so if you can't land them, they are bad.

She has a good bit of counters in mid lane, and is outscaled by a good amount as well.

She is perfectly balanced right now. 52% winrate is hardly even worth noting when you have champs peaking 55+

ZephyrDrakeNov 15, 20163 votes

god tier... that's why she hasn't been meta for quite a while and hasn't seen a single pro game (or bans) in forever... yep ahri sure is a god tier mid

JMoormannNov 15, 20166 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Ahri

It has always been like this. Above average play rate, above average win rate, and even above average damage dealt (which is supposed to be her weak point).

I don't think she is really OP, but it's undeniable that she has been a very good soloQ pick for a very long time, despite not being considered as one by a lot of people.

PrxzmNov 16, 20163 votes

You really have no idea what makes a champion godtier.

Ahri is God tier because Ahri's power remains a staple in every mid-laner's repertoire. Renowned for her ability to dodge and outplay with her ultimate, she combines those with her damage potential and CC from her kit to result in a flashy, yet effective burst mage. Late game, her cooldowns are also short enough to smoothly transition into a sustained damage dealer that can easily tango with late game marksmen.

And here's the most accurate tier list published: http://www.nerfplz.com/2016/11/2016-best-champions-tier-list-solo.html

ZephyrDrakeNov 16, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Gumiho,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fXEItE4T,comment-id=000d0001,timestamp=2016-11-16T02:55:54.385+0000)

You really have no idea what makes a champion godtier.

Ahri is God tier because Ahri's power remains a staple in every mid-laner's repertoire. Renowned for her ability to dodge and outplay with her ultimate, she combines those with her damage potential and CC from her kit to result in a flashy, yet effective burst mage. Late game, her cooldowns are also short enough to smoothly transition into a sustained damage dealer that can easily tango with late game marksmen.

And here's the most accurate tier list published: http://www.nerfplz.com/2016/11/2016-best-champions-tier-list-solo.html

nice story bro, keep telling yourself that ahri is god tier maybe one day it'll come a reality

PrxzmNov 16, 20163 votes

Now your response is just pure ignorance. I gave you thorough reasoning and solid evidence as to how she's god tier, as well as JMoormann giving you statistical evidence, and you still say she's not; especially in an extremely rude way.

She is god tier. Just look at other comments in the thread and the fact that your comment got downvoted. Just look how JMoormann's reply to your comment got upvoted.

Don't be ignorant.

TenSpeedNov 16, 20163 votes

I think if they removed the movement speed buff on her q she would be fine. She can just throw her q anywhere and run away from something, whether that be a skillshot or some cc. Too much mobility for someone that also has an ult that is basically three flashes. I never understood why she needed MS on her q.

Brain Errör 404Nov 15, 20162 votes

And? She's legit just a safe pick, with slightly under average damage and above average mobility.

ooheeheeNov 15, 20161 votes

except not a lot of ahri players are actually good at landing charms

SGT Dingle BerryNov 15, 20161 votes

Lol you must have +1 your own retarded thread cause Ahri is nowhere near godhood.

PrxzmNov 15, 20161 votes

I don't think a single human can vote 7 times and comment 7 times.

Aaaaand Ahri has been in the top four of the tier list since Season 4.

WoonStruckNov 15, 20161 votes

Ahri has been god tier practically since release.

Everyone just complained that she didn't function because damage nerfs blah blah blah.

She's absurdly safe champion with absurd pick potential. She's always been strong because of that. 52%+ winrate and 10%+ playrate basically since inception.

Over InnsmouthNov 15, 20161 votes

Is this...a complaint thread? I can't tell.

Even if she is, she's not awful to deal with. She's annoying as shit sure, especially when she's basically uncatchable with her ult unless you're Talon or Rengar or something, but she's not unfair to deal with. I'd call her one of the more balanced mids rn.

EndlessSorcererNov 15, 20161 votes

Ahri is pretty consistently just underneath the top-tier mid-lane picks. She is never really overpowered, but she is always just below that point.

Orianna and Lux tend to fall into a similar position.

MunchCrunchLunchNov 15, 20161 votes

I made many threads like it. its quite annoying that enemy team can just first pick ahri and not worry about jackshit to a counter because ahri has no fucking counters. no let me change that. ahri oppresses everyone mid lane if she plays aggressive.

five oh tree Nov 15, 20161 votes

I personally hate that champ, because every matchup is a skillmatchup until ahri's enemy messes up once. Then they're forced to hug their turret for the rest of lane phase. She's not unfair though... I just hate her. And she's been strong pretty much my entire league career.

ValyrianBladeNov 15, 20161 votes

I wouldn't say Ahri has been god-tier for a LONG time.

She's been a solid tier 1 pick for more than 2 years though.

I agree that her kit is basically inherently balanced. Outside of a brief stint after her rework, she's been an exquisite champion.

PrxzmNov 16, 20161 votes

This is the most accurate tier list published: http://www.nerfplz.com/2016/11/2016-best-champions-tier-list-solo.html

She's been Godtier on this tier list for 2+ years now.

And she's been on the "Best Potential Champions" page for the same duration: http://www.nerfplz.com/2016/10/which-champions-are-strongest-when.html

ValyrianBladeNov 16, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Gumiho,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fXEItE4T,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2016-11-16T02:57:49.580+0000)

This is the most accurate tier list published: http://www.nerfplz.com/2016/11/2016-best-champions-tier-list-solo.html

She's been Godtier on this tier list for 2+ years now.

And she's been on the "Best Potential Champions" page for the same duration: http://www.nerfplz.com/2016/10/which-champions-are-strongest-when.html

I don't know if you can have an accurate tier list. Lists will always be biased by the views of the creator. If he's a main of someone that's weaker to Ahri, he'll no doubt find her always to be very strong even when she dips in power.

I'd prefer to go by more objective measures like win rate, play rate, win rate by games played, win rate by game duration, average K/D/A, damage to champions, etc...

dominusxNov 15, 20161 votes

I find her extremenly annoying as a champion but i prefer her over some other meta mids.

iTaLenTZNov 15, 20161 votes

Same goes for Janna but Meddler mains both champs so don't expect any nerfs to his freelo

AirKingNeoNov 16, 20161 votes

Is it wrong she's in a decent state? It's like trying to say Kayle is OP right now, despite having a pretty low playrate and decent enough winrate for it.

DanjengNov 16, 20161 votes

Well, it's the dedicated mains like you who make it work! [slayer-jinx-wink]

invisiblecat1Nov 16, 20161 votes

Pretty sure God Tier is not being out of meta For example Jhin has been god tier since release but has he been nerfed?

l Helios lNov 16, 20161 votes

Since release? No.

Nerfed? Yes, patch just before worlds.

Rock MDNov 16, 20161 votes

Eh, not quite. Mostly just safe.

Ahri is good in solo queue because she's a generalist and does a little of everything but she's just so below the bar in every aspect. That's why she never sees any sort of competitive play. Assassins burst harder, mages exert more control.

That's why I hate tier lists like Nerfplz (which you linked). They don't actually list good/overpowered champions or it'd be Cassiopeia/Syndra/Viktor every game. Instead it's just Annie/Ahri/Shit that doesn't list objectively good champions, just ones that can play against unorganized gameplay.

PrxzmNov 16, 20161 votes

There are three tier lists nerfplz releases:

SoloQ - Unorganized Gameplay
FoTM - Team Gameplay
Strongest Potential - The champions that are strongest if they're played perfectly.

Ahri has been on the soloq and strongest potential list for quite a long time now, and occasionally pops back into the FoTM list. She's nowhere near below the par. She's a sustained damage control mage with high mobility, with one of the strongest, most game-changing crowd control abilities in the game that can determine an entire team fight if landed just once. Hence why a lot of high elo Ahri players will hold it. Her damage is extremely high, managing to deal 50% (if not more) of a player's hp in one Q, and the rest of their health in one W.

Viktor is nowhere near as good as Ahri, and Syndra is the closest thing Ahri has to a counter. Syndra is the only midlaner that can do more than Ahri at the highest potential.

Rock MDNov 16, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arcade Gumiho,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fXEItE4T,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2016-11-16T06:42:00.562+0000)

There are three tier lists nerfplz releases:

SoloQ - Unorganized Gameplay

FoTM - Team Gameplay

Strongest Potential - The champions that are strongest if they're played perfectly.

Ahri has been on the soloq and strongest potential list for quite a long time now, and occasionally pops back into the FoTM list. She's nowhere near below the par. She's a sustained damage control mage with high mobility, with one of the strongest, most game-changing crowd control abilities in the game that can determine an entire team fight if landed just once. Hence why a lot of high elo Ahri players will hold it. Her damage is extremely high, managing to deal 50% (if not more) of a player's hp in one Q, and the rest of their health in one W.

Viktor is nowhere near as good as Ahri, and Syndra is the closest thing Ahri has to a counter. Syndra is the only midlaner that can do more than Ahri at the highest potential.

She is almost never FotM, but she's always popular. The last time she was actually FotM was 5.2 because she was busted and since then has been reserved as a solo queue champion.
She doesn't deal good sustained DPS and she doesn't control the game at all wtf are you smoking? Control is exerting pressure over specific areas that you don't have to be in to occupy. Viktor has control via Death Ray's Aftershock, Chaos Storm's pulsing area, and Gravity Field. Orianna holds her ball in an area and you can't get near it without eating AoE CC. Ahri doesn't do that at all.
Literally any CC can determine a game if just landed once. Damn near any spell can determine a teamfight if landed just once. Just say Charm is one of the strongest CCs because that's not exaggeration, the rest of that is.
Orb will only deal 50% of a player's health if coupled with Luden's, a TLD proc, or you're ungodly fed.
??? Viktor is one of the best mages in the game due to his synergy with Rylai's and his AoE damage. He's up there along with Ryze, Orianna, Syndra, and Cassiopeia.
I am not a high elo Ahri player I'm a high elo Ahri main.

Poop JellyNov 16, 20161 votes

Idk...

Ahri's one of my main mid champs and I don't even use her that much anymore, not because it's boring or easy, but I feel like other champs can do more than she does. She's well-rounded in terms of safety and damage, but she doesn't bring the "ummpph" factor in teamfight that other midlaners can. She's definitely a safe pick, but not a top tier pick, not in my book.

PrxzmNov 16, 20161 votes

No offense whatsoever, but if you say, as you worded it, she doesn't bring them "ummpph" factor in a teamfight and she's not a top tier pick, you're playing her wrong. In the highest-potential environment, she outperforms every midlaner except Syndra in a teamfight, and even then she can make Syndra useless by outperforming her in lane. She's a strong pick vs any assassin, and seeing as we're shifting into an assassin meta, she's bound to see a lot more play. She pretty much has no counters in the midlane. And, late game, she lands one charm on a squishy target and they're dead, regardless if the team reacts to it or not; she can solo kill any squishy. She's beyond any other midlaner if played properly.

bad arcade kittyNov 16, 20161 votes

she is not even nearly as good as something like syndra though

RhaiNov 16, 20161 votes

And just a reminder that Janna has been the same for 4 years or more

Shadow HazardNov 16, 20161 votes

God tier. Not at all. Good sure. Someone who can be argued to be in a god tier state even now is ryze, through all of his reworks he remained busted in competent hands.

PrxzmNov 16, 20161 votes

You can't argue with statistics. People can say, "I don't feel like she's god tier," but that doesn't make a champion any less god tier if the statistics say she is. I don't feel like explaining for the hundredth time, so if you're genuinely interested in how she's god tier, dig around for my replies to other people's comments.

Shadow HazardNov 16, 20161 votes

literally you arguing against majority of responses disagreeing with you, pointing to a not as standard site for champ stats. Ahri is balanced in a good way, and has been in a healthy performance spot for a long time. You are really saying that you feel she is and grasping at straws to say she is statistically god tier. I did look at the shitty stat choice site you put in due diligence. The point that everyone is saying that she isn't god tier is right. She wont guarantee a win but she will reduce your chances of losing by being so safe. Take one of the other "god tier" options the site list annie, she will by comparison increase your chances of winning with decent play on her. Or take the ADC role urgot can be seen as god tier for being so extremely safe that he can reduce your chances of losing but twitch on the otherhand will increase your chances of winning. It is a matter of safety vs power, power will always be the ones who stand out for being god tier. Don't make a claim if you can't and don't even want to back it up...

SeenanNov 16, 20161 votes

Her playrate is ~9% with a 54% winrate. Far too safe of a pick. Q needs nerfs.

HazyCloud7Nov 16, 20161 votes

Ahri feels fair to play against. She has ample counterplay and although her play style is fairly straight forward there is a very stark contrast between a good Ahri and a bad Ahri. You HAVE to be able to land skillshots to play her effectively, whereas there is very little mechanical skill involved in playing someone like Annie effectively. For that reason I have no issue with Ahri being in such a good spot indefinitely.

Don't get me wrong her safety with the movement speed on Q + 3 dash ult can be kind of obnoxious but I've never lost to an Ahri and felt like I didn't deserve to. Whereas playing against Syndra in her current state who can pick up 2-3 spheres once she has her W maxed to ensure she lands her stun and then click on you to do an absurd amount of damage from 675 range feels very unfair play against, for example.

Kitty ClarissaNov 15, 2016

well she is balanced , There are quite a few who never got touched once in months or years because of meta shifts and and reworks Ezreal is one, aside from his blue build issue, after iceborn nerfs he never got touched again and still sees high amount of play and what not. Rito needs to have balance in some of the newwer champs