Time To Be Salty (tired of broken matchups since 5.22 release)

DolphZiggler007··52 votes·3,835 views

Time to spill some truth here. I don't care if I get banned, receive a penalty of some sorts, or if the community disagrees with me, but this needs to be said and I know I am not the only one who has experienced this issue. Riot, you need to fix your matchup system. Plain and simple. It is pretty obvious something is wrong when you are constantly matched against platinum players whilst you haven't even played a ranked game in your life, then to boot, having teammates who continuously ask "WERE DER ALWAYS 2 TOWERZ ON DIS MAP?!" and simply cannot understand the concept of discontinuing to overextend even after their 8th gank. I understand in TT for example, the game can only work with the players who are queuing for said map, however, I think your queuing service is thinking the number of games played determines who you are teamed with (which if it is, honestly is a joke because game time doesn't always = better skill level)

Secondly, your report system needs work because it's a bigger joke then my sex life (sad truth on my part, but even more saddening that you've surpassed it); Can you guys honestly even tell me you check it and issue warnings/bans for inappropriate conduct based on the report you receive? So many trolls/ignorant people on this game it almost makes a person sad to play the game. I understand you will always have those types of people out there, but when your community treats you worse then how an adulteress treats a cuckold, that should be a clear indication it's time for a change.

I look forward to the list of excuses as to why my post is completely irrelevant and perhaps new ideas as to why I should uninstall the game.

Thank-you for your time

A discouraged 5.22 League of Legends player

54 Comments

Transgressor10 votes

You're telling me you're not enjoying the cancer of this patch? What now?! INCONCIEVABLE

A Miss Fortune5 votes

I'm Silver 2 but if you look at my match history in Ranked or Normals I always get matched with Gold - Diamond players if I play solo. I don't think It's a big problem for me though and not only do I feel like I personally do better but games are more fun and interesting and you can learn more.

As for the Report System I think that it was significantly improved over time, bans are starting to finally mean something. I still think Riot is too easy on trolls and feeders who intentionally throw Ranked games. Like in the case with Dunkey or whoever he was and the guy who fed in one of his games that he recorded, Riot will easily give Dunkey a 2 week ban for insulting the Malphite (which he probably didn't care about anyways) but the Malphite probably won't even get so much as a warning for feeding until he does it a number of times.

TheHypeGoku1 votes

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I'm Silver 2 but if you look at my match history in Ranked or Normals I always get matched with Gold - Diamond players if I play solo. I don't think It's a big problem for me though and not only do I feel like I personally do better but games are more fun and interesting and you can learn more.

As for the Report System I think that it was significantly improved over time, bans are starting to finally mean something. I still think Riot is too easy on trolls and feeders who intentionally throw Ranked games. Like in the case with Dunkey or whoever he was and the guy who fed in one of his games that he recorded, Riot will easily give Dunkey a 2 week ban for insulting the Malphite (which he probably didn't care about anyways) but the Malphite probably won't even get so much as a warning for feeding until he does it a number of times.

You don't get matched with Diamond players in ranked. You're getting matched with gold players and plat 5 players that are either A) on tilt or B) playing on a boosted account, which has led them to drop their MMR to high silver/low gold. So that's why you're matched against them.

SacredLie1 votes

I think he is talking about normals though... Swain

SacredLie1 votes

I think he is talking about normals though... Swain

DolphZiggler0071 votes

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I think he is talking about normals though... Swain

Yeah I was referring to normal, non-ranked matches on my above post, but ranked teams being completely unbalanced wouldn't surprise me either.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

In Normals I get matched with Diamond players. In Ranked I play usually against Golds and Plats. I'm hoping to achieve Plat 5 this Season so I can get to the point where I do play with Diamond players more often, because right now I just don't feel like I'm actually learning anything playing against just Gold and Plat players. I was trying to get Gold 5 this being my first Ranked season but I got 14 day banned and just stopped since it would be useless. (don't be toxic)

Raid Boss Morde1 votes

I'm only plat, but I've been playing with only Diamonds, Masters, and a few Challengers in normals. It's frustrating, but pretty exciting to see who I'll meet.

I've already played against BoxBox, and had rank 68 on NA, xaombie, on my team. Yeah, it's really difficult to do well now, but it sure is exciting.

TheHypeGoku1 votes

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In Normals I get matched with Diamond players. In Ranked I play usually against Golds and Plats. I'm hoping to achieve Plat 5 this Season so I can get to the point where I do play with Diamond players more often, because right now I just don't feel like I'm actually learning anything playing against just Gold and Plat players. I was trying to get Gold 5 this being my first Ranked season but I got 14 day banned and just stopped since it would be useless. (don't be toxic)

That doesn't mean anything bruh. In normals I get matched against silvers - Gold 5. Doesn't mean they are good, I just don't win a lot in normals because that's not where I'm really trying. That's where I test out champion mechanics and builds. If I play team builder, however, then I start getting matched up against plats-diamonds because my win ratio is higher. You have to understand just because you got plats-diamonds in NORMALS doesn't mean ur as good as them lmao..

TheHypeGoku1 votes

Normals MMR is different, doesn't mean your Diamond elo. Means there's diamond players out there that don't try in normals so their mmr is low. Additionally, you're playing against golds and PLAT 5's, meaning their mmr is shit so they're playing with you. It doesn't mean you are a plat player. Need to understand that rank doesn't matter, MMR does.

Smitemuffin1 votes

Except in placements, where it's desecrated orifices as far as the eye can see

Lithium Rosa1 votes

Honestly I think this just means you are a good player...

A Miss Fortune1 votes

I mean I'm a good player but I feel like I still have a lot to learn, I know that I'm definitely above Silver and that's why I'm perfectly happy with playing against even Diamond players in Normals. I can learn from them. This might just be my bias on the matching system since I prefer it for that reason, but I think that matching higher elo players with lower elo players in Normals is a good thing.

Robbit Mang1 votes

Well the highest ranked player i've seen in a normal MM game was diamond II, and when I play solo occasionally i get a teammate or enemy as low as bronze II. I don't really think that normal MM discriminates much. we COULD try to guess your "mmr" based on OP.GG but yours is super inflated due to playing mostly duo games and it'd be unreliable.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

I did sucky when I first played Ranked, barely won any games at all but I got Silver 5. I duo'ed with a friend of mine after I got significantly better and I think since then I've had around a 65% - 75% win rate in Ranked. Though even without my duo friend I still get high elo players, especially in normals. When we duo in normals there's not much of a difference either.

I have no idea how this MMR system works it literally feels like the most unnecessarily complex system ever. Even then they could at least show us it, I don't see the harm in doing so?

Robbit Mang1 votes

There's no harm in doing so, it's just that the game inflates your MMR by 1-3 divisions if you duo with someone frequently, so it's very hard to tell where you REALLY are.

Melledoneus2 votes

I'm Bronze and I get the occasional Silver or Bronze player on the enemy team. They're mostly golds and plats in my games. And people never believe me because it's absurd.

I wouldn't believe it either if it wasn't a reality for me.

GenghisEmo1 votes

Do you get paired with Gold and Diamond players? If so, lucky. I am Silver 4, was Silver 3, but i usually only get paired with Bronze or really bad Silvers.

Rarely do i get a Gold player on my team, and the few times i did, it was great. Advanced tactics and warding worked well, the synergy was better, and blaming was minimal. Only like two games did i get a Gold on my team, and it was great. All others, it seems im the only Silver on the team XD.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

Basically every game I get at least Gold and Platinum players, I'll play with a few Diamond players every other game or so.

GenghisEmo1 votes

I can only imagine it could provide possible learning experiences instead of just being forced with dudes that never touch a pink ward in their life and barely use the free ones =D

LaowPing1 votes

Either your MMR is super high or you're playing against and with duo quos. When you play duo the MMR should be boosted up (assuming they can't match you with a duo) and when playing solo it shoud be based on MMR. Your match making seems really reversed.

LaughingStapler4 votes

I've been getting a lot of false reports for picking non-meta stuff like Ezreal top. They even tell me in the lobby they'll report me and then I get reported for "offensive language" if we lose the game. This is despite not saying anything more than flash timers. Reminds me of this.

I haven't gotten punished again but it shows that the problem isn't just the trolls but also those sending false reports and trying to control you with threats in the lobby.

DolphZiggler0071 votes

This is also true for sure, but I am willing to bet the number of false reports would also be reduced dramatically if the community knew for a fact that Riot was actually serious about the Tribunal System by paying proper attention to reports received. Right now, I could easily see innocent people receiving repercussions that the report trolls have flagged them for as it seems Riot hosts a party every month or so, one guy grabs a case of beer, they all get drunk and start pulling random unlucky names out of a hat as far as who gets punished. Sure, there are probably hundreds of thousands of reports received so looking through them is probably a challenge, but the solution to this problem is quite simple: "hire more staff".

Smitemuffin1 votes

I got that all the time for Jungle Braum and even considering pre-rework Viktor (who was my main)

TheSeltzerBaron3 votes

I thought I was alone in the world. Thank you for proving me wrong. +1

Lithium Rosa3 votes

I don't really mind fighting against diamond enemies, its the bronze teammates make me sick

Mortifer Arceus2 votes

Normal game MMr is different from ranked MMR it's that simple. Also their report system is fine. I've trolled, afk'd, flamed and I have been punished for each. Not liking that I lost season end rewards for it on one of my accounts either, makes me really salty about the whole thing, but I realize that it's my fault and I am not blatantly blaming Riot for my misgivings. Their report system works fine and players actually get punished, just because they don't inform you someone you reported received punishment. Your MMR is the issue for the first issue and the second one isn't even an issue.

commit an hero1 votes

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Normal game MMr is different from ranked MMR it's that simple. Also their report system is fine. I've trolled, afk'd, flamed and I have been punished for each. Not liking that I lost season end rewards for it on one of my accounts either, makes me really salty about the whole thing, but I realize that it's my fault and I am not blatantly blaming Riot for my misgivings. Their report system works fine and players actually get punished, just because they don't inform you someone you reported received punishment. Your MMR is the issue for the first issue and the second one isn't even an issue.

Then explain to me why I have a Silver 4 in my ranked game when I am Plat 5.

Mortifer Arceus1 votes

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Then explain to me why I have a Silver 4 in my ranked game when I am Plat 5.

he's duo'd with someone and your MMR is still bad

commit an hero1 votes

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he's duo'd with someone and your MMR is still bad

Wrong. I was duo'd with my Plat friend. My MMR is plat level.

Mortifer Arceus1 votes

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Wrong. I was duo'd with my Plat friend. My MMR is plat level.

How can I be wrong it's literally impossible to run into someone two tiers below you in a ranked match if not for that? Lol ignorant

commit an hero1 votes

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How can I be wrong it's literally impossible to run into someone two tiers below you in a ranked match if not for that? Lol ignorant

Hence why I am calling it bullshit that I was queued with a Silver 4.

Mortifer Arceus1 votes

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Hence why I am calling it bullshit that I was queued with a Silver 4.

No you just won't accept that you're wrong...

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

An even bigger issue at hand -elo boosters and smurfs this is the cancer of all games where they don't play like a remote scrub(which is easily told since I'm bronze) its so cancerously obvious and frustrating because playing against people who have better game knowledge and mechanical skill is not fun -somebody threatened to report me just because i didn't hit the enemy even though i wanted to play safe he kept flaming me on how i never hit them then left the lane and said in all chat "KILL THIS VAYNE SHE JUST LETS YOU HIT ME" only for me to get a kill by myself in 1 vs 3(without dying) simply because of that reason whats worse is he wasn't even playing support(the very role he called)he just played full ap i held myself back till the end of the game where in the end toxicity got me and i got a message that warned me to have a better behaviour.the thing is i didn't even report that guy i felt nice at the time and normally only report leavers -this only applies to blind pick instalokers you know i actually don't mind a person locking instantly ONLY IF FOR THE LOVE OF GOD YOU KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOUR DOING IN THAT LANE and not rage quit i can't believe how many times this has happened a person instaloks then dies once and rage quits.. -ranked whiners of how they say I've been X role for 5 games now plz give this role,i hate this beyond reason because man PICK ORDER EXISTS AND AINT NOBODY GUNNA GIVE 2 F**** unless they feel nice and the ever so great i can't play support,jg, etc I've only seen this a few times i checked there match history,and hey guess what in one of there last few games they happened to play that role or when they ACTUALLY CANT PLAY THE ROLE you know i can understand this better then the last one but please atleast learn 1 champion for each role and practice in customs and blinds (im a real shitty support but i can play morgana support well) there are way more problems then 1 may think

TheHypeGoku1 votes

I get matched with silvers in normal blind picks and I'm platinum but that's because when I play normals I play with my silver friends. When they're not on, I get matched up with silvers still and that's just because I don't play my best in normals. I try out new champs or touch up on my mechanics on my mains and don't really focus on the win so much as I focus on just working on my individual skill and learning champions and such. When I get to team builder, however, I get matched up with plat-diamond players and that's mostly because that's when I will pick a specific champ and really try hard. So I think it all balances out. If you find yourself getting out matched from the get-go, just take it as an opportunity to learn and get better.

Something that low elo players don't realize:

YOU LEARN MORE WHEN YOU'RE LOSING. So take advantage of it. Don't /ff 20, because then you're losing out on the chance to learn how to play when behind.

Also, I don't see toxicity very often any more. It's almost non existent on my side. Maybe you're promoting it in your games by talking? It seems you're very easy to upset so I can see how you could probably end up saying something that would either make someone upset or make a situation worse.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

I get paired with players at my skill level. I'm Silver V, but I always get paired with high Silver-high gold/low plat(kind of the same thing because they're usually Plat V with 0 LP), and I easily compete with them.

KnighRrider1 votes

Oh yeah, played mid TF last night against duo Yas and Ahri for 45+ minutes. it should have been my doom but I was actually winning lane for most of the game it was like this was their first time or something xD But it got to the point where both teams had open nexus and everyone was so strong, i could Q W for the kill on everyone on their team. But it was like these guys had never gotten this far in the game before, they were just roaming jg, and wandering off alone trying to take dragon, nobody wanted to guard the base OR push on the enemies it was just weird. So I was stuck guarding the nexus even though im the only one who could ambush their nexus(with ult). Eventually Ahri, Teemo, and Kindred just ran in and Kindred ulted so I could do anything. my ENTIRE team(except our top Heimerdinger who just ran the opposite direction) was in jg taking red buff..... I was just sitting there staring at the "defeat" animation just.. completely blown away like how did we get this far in the game!? both teams were complete retards, nobody even knew what objectives to take! why was I even there!?!

Vincent Lucius1 votes

My guess would be that you're playing against people who are platinum but don't play a lot of normals. Your normals MMR is decent, or their's is complete crap and so you get paired with them. If they play more normals they'll get out of your MMR and start getting match-ups that are appropriate.

In the mean time, the game registers them in normals as having similar skill to you and your teammates.

Smitemuffin1 votes

Man, do I know that feeling. This season, I got a team where I was the highest rank on my side, no teammates had 100 games counting normals and every opponent VASTLY outranked me. Placements are a bitch. I wrote Riot support, thinking it was a bug and got told it's supposed to be that way.

Fast forward to my ranked 5s team. It's Bronze 1 playing opponents averaging a 1750 MMR. That's about Gold 1 to Plat 5, btw.

ChessPwn9951 votes

For normals a lot of people highly ranked tend to play mostly ranked games. And when they do play normals it often to goof around or test out something crazy. Thus their normal MMR isn't very high.

Doctor Dyment1 votes

I'm... afraid. I haven't been playing League for a while, as I got Fallout 4 and have been playing the shit out of it. (Is really good game actually you should go get it.) But, looking at the Boards now, I'm kind of scared to get back into the League pre-season. So please, can one of you level minded, thoughtful people explain to me if the pre-season is really that bad? Because if even a FRACTION of what the Boards say is true about League's balance right now, I don't want to play.

Lord Galvatron1 votes

I honestly think that this issue precedes patch 5.22. I have always been placed with Gold, Platinum, and Diamond players in ranked and I am only S1. During my most recent promo to attempt for gold 5 before the season ended, my team and I completely got destroyed. I was stunned by the coordination of the enemy team (This was solo que), and how they were constantly able to best us (Aside from the fact that no one uses wards bot-side in silver and no one understands what the MIA ping means). After the game, I looked at the chat, and notice how some of the enemy teammates were talking about how they finally got out of platinum into diamond. I don't know if my MMR is unusually high for a silver or I'm just that unlucky.

I honestly think that your games in ranked should be based on other people the same rank as you, and not your skill level. It would be sooooo much easier to climb out of the lower tiers.

Alëk1 votes

Dude its preseason.

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

Im d4 in ranked and find it impossible to enjoy normals because of this. You either try a new champ and lose to someone who spams the mastery emote at you (and no matter how narrowly they win that fight fight, it turns into an unstoppable snowball soon after and all you really learn is how to farm under turret) or you play something you know even though you could be doing that in ranked without having to worry about your team being plat vs silver or something (playing a champ youre competent on but getting screwed by your team feels bad. Especially as a jungler, 2/4 games today people messed up my leash so i had to do a buff as level 1, and thats not even getting into ignoring ganks and such. Nothing fun about that)

Last season I picked up a bunch of toplaners without much trouble and even if i kinda fed i could be more useful later by being where i needed to be. Now, i have no idea how to have fun in norms outside of stomping with the same 3 champs i could just play in ranked.

TacoKing1 votes

People will have bad games. People will be toxic. Those who are constantly toxic do get banned, but only the person who triggered the ban gets a message saying their report got reviewed and the toxic player got punished. But those who slip up every once in a while don't get banned, and those are the majority of toxic people you see. I don't think you should be banned if you slip up every once in a while, but yes toxicity should be removed, how do you suggest Riot does it?

Only Play Darius1 votes

Ohh i've been waiting to post some of the matchups I have had in my TeamBuilder adventures! http://oi64.tinypic.com/2illa41.jpg http://oi63.tinypic.com/24oam8p.jpg http://oi57.tinypic.com/x1azbl.jpg

In case anyone was wondering why some people refuse to play normals

Arkna1 votes

It's a quirk of the mmr system. After the season ends, lots of high ranked players who don't play very many normals enter the queue since there's no real reason to continue playing ranked, and there are significant changes they need to test. Since normal and ranked mmr are seperate, they typically have a very low normal mmr since they haven't played as many normal games. It corrects itself after a couple of weeks.

Specter0271 votes

I just played ranked for the first time 2 months ago. I wanted to see if I could get to Gold for the Sivir skin.

I started to warm up to the idea of Ranked Draft after Riot started dumping reported players into Normal Draft. I really liked Ranked because I avoided large Pre-Mades which I've mainly had a negative experience with and because I never heard anyone say "who cares, this is just norms" in ranked. I've always used Ranked as a way to find competitive matches, and I feel it largely does better than normal currently does. I sincerely hope they don't implement the group queues in ranked this season.

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