Pantheon shouldn't get a free pass with dragon

That's true. I just liked it better when the risk in early dragond was getting executed by it. I mean it's a fucking dragon, it has to deal lots of damage.

But still, dragon needs to be a team objective, I don't think it's healthy that the entire team has to change it's route just to prevent a single champ from taking it early.

That's why you ward it. Sneaking dragon is a risk because it could be warded. That's why it's a team objective. There are plenty of times when you can 1 man or 2 man it but without a full team effort to secure it, it's a risk.

The issue is that the ability to solo it early is just incredibly strong unless you trade off something massive for it,as demanding vision and presence near it so early is a very big constraint on somebody,if your bot lane is pushed in it won't be warded,hell even if it is pushed they will lose pressure to ward it,same goes for mid,your are putting your mid/bot at a very notable disadvantage but you don't actually pay anything meaningful for it,smite raptors,go to drake,either clear ward or do it/use red trinket,either you get drake or you get a big advantage for bot/mid.

But still, dragon needs to be a team objective, I don't think it's healthy that the entire team has to change it's route just to prevent a single champ from taking it early.

That's why you ward it. Sneaking dragon is a risk because it could be warded. That's why it's a team objective. There are plenty of times when you can 1 man or 2 man it but without a full team effort to secure it, it's a risk.

Come on now. Even if you have it completely warded at the 4 minute mark, it is utterly ridiculous that one champ, 3-6 minutes in, can swing the dragon fight and 3+ people from the other team have to focus on stopping that interaction. It frees up so many resources and map control for the enemy team just for the threat of Pants sneaking an early dragon.

A Global objective should not be soloable at level 3, that's just stupid.

lol

So you don't think it's healthy that some champions are better at some things than others? I know that's not what you meant at all, just saying. I think it's perfectly okay that jungle panth has this strength, it has a counter play, and one that's very easy as well. I see that you view it as bot and mid losing pressure to keep pressure on drag pit, but panth also wastes his time trying to do drag if you guys do keep pressure on it. Sometimes it even turns out in a kill.

Also, the entire team doesn't necessarily have to do anything. The jungler can also spare 75 gold to ward drag. If you see him take out the ward then immediately head there. Idk, I think the only time getting an early drag alone is worth is when the enemy team is too bad to react or just doesn't notice. If they do notice and react, then panth would be at a significant disadvantage for the coming fight.

And, you know, dragonslayer panth skin.

There is being better at something than others and there is the ability to fucking solo a global objective 4 minutes into the game. He would still be a really strong dragon taker due to his passive, but no, snagging a global objective at 4 minutes is not a "strength" it's a design flaw.

The problem is, we are talking about a level 3 drag, the whole enemy team has to alter it's playstyle against it (starting at top buff, getting warding totem, pushing early to roam at level 2), and if Pantheon try doing it the enemy team put itself behind for nothing. Panth can even sweep the ward then leave for extra lulz luring even the enemy jungler.

Yeah but securing the first buff leads to securing buffs 2... 3.... 4 and so on. Eventually it will tilt the game in you favor lategame as these days close games seem to hinge on dragon control. Having those stacks will help you lategame more than a minute worth of ganks or other clearing

Pretty much as soon as you get your first bf sword or rod, the first dragon is worth more.

With an 18 second cooldown? Thats...not very useful. At all.