Shyvana DOES need utility/CC and HERE'S WHY

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All Shyvana does in a game is Run around and hope that she can catch or catch up to an enemy hoping they will die by her E, W, Q.

Her E doesn't do nothing it just** marks the enemy to apply more damage** towards her basic attacks, Q and W. So if you miss your E you're not gonna do much damage.

You need the enemy to be within her W range but that will never be the case since people KNOW that they need to get away from you or all they need to do is slow you down and ignore you for the rest of the team fight since you will be in the back line trying to catch up back into the fight. By then your allies are dead.

She can never catch up to an enemy and here's why, lets use Orianna and Jinx for example.

Orianna's W slows you down HEAVILY so even if Shyvana had her W on, her movement speed will drop back down **to her base movement speed **or LOWER.

Jinx's W reduces Shyvana's movement speed by A LOT as well because jinx's E goes up to 70% movement reduction so Shyvana's movement speed is lowered back UNDER her base movement speed.

"Build BoTRK and Omens" Ok yes but why should Shyvana rely so much on items to create CC or get kills? it's basically saying she doesn't have a QWER set but a QWERTY set and that's flat out annoying especially since those items have a 60+ cool down, similar to an ult cool down.

People are scared or think that if Shyvana obtains a utility/ult her strength will be weaker or not become the best dualer in top lane anymore. Why do you care about that stuff so much? She will still be able to get kills and be helpful WITH the utility/CC why make her only a mobility machine?

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Irelia Bot3 votes

If shyvana were to get a buff I could see her dragon form being 50% resistant to slows or something like that.

Being kited is kinda one of her major weaknesses.

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[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fKhze8dZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-02-18T22:41:34.862+0000)

If shyvana were to get a buff I could see her dragon form being 50% resistant to slows or something like that.

Being kited is kinda one of her major weaknesses.

Some people have this stupid theory that just because she's the half-dragon she shouldn't have a kit to where she doesn't act fully as a dragon. They don't understand that by "half-dragon" is means by her human form appearance. She looks half dragon as human form it has nothing to do with her turning into a dragon.

Her dragon form however, should've had it's own kit but people don't want her to be similar to gnar so it would be at least good to give her a stun or a heavy slow so she can be useful in ganking lanes and team fights.

Irelia Bot2 votes

she has damage and miblity while building baiscally full tank.

She just suffers in this meta of ranged tops and is out classed in jungle by Vi, Lee, J4 and Nid to such a high degree that she is not considered a good option for jungle.

In other words J4 has been basically a shyvana with gank power. This might change a bit in the next patch if J4 really does lose all of his armor on E.

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[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fKhze8dZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-02-18T22:35:28.448+0000)

she has damage and miblity while building baiscally full tank.

She just suffers in this meta of ranged tops and is out classed in jungle by Vi, Lee, J4 and Nid to such a high degree that she is not considered a good option for jungle.

In other words J4 has been basically a shyvana with gank power. This might change a bit in the next patch if J4 really does lose all of his armor on E.

She is basically treated like a Sion, where people build her a tank than a fighter only because Shyvana feels more of a tank champion. But with Sion he has utility/CC so he can do a better job than Shyvana can.

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Come at me with your response and I will gladly point out reasons why you're wrong.

Retillin1 votes

TL;DR response to Shy needing utility or cc in her kit. Everyone else has it now.... end of argument sadly.

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TL;DR response to Shy needing utility or cc in her kit. Everyone else has it now.... end of argument sadly.

Obviously she does, her ONLY mobility skill is W and her R shouldn't be considered a mobility, it could be preventable. I'd say her ult is more of a second Flash.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Excessive Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fKhze8dZ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-02-18T22:33:21.314+0000)

Obviously she does, her ONLY mobility skill is W and her R shouldn't be considered a mobility, it could be preventable. I'd say her ult is more of a second Flash.

"I don't consider this one skill to exist because it can be prevented". So, do you not consider almost every champion's skills to exist since Sivir can spellshield and prevent them?

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[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fKhze8dZ,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-02-18T22:48:09.622+0000)

"I don't consider this one skill to exist because it can be prevented". So, do you not consider almost every champion's skills to exist since Sivir can spellshield and prevent them?

no what I mean by that is a simple janna tornado can block off Shyvana's flight considering it to be her "ult".

Sire Hippington1 votes

Thats the problem of all bruisers, beeing melee and reliant on constant dps rather than burst or atleast damagespikes doesn't work right now. It's to easy to peel against those chams, and since they have to stay a long time in the middle of the enemy team, they need way to much tankiness. Bruisers ass a class need some changes, and giving all of them cc isn't the solution. They would loose there identity. What bruisers need is massive tankiness scaleing with the number of nearby enemys(otherewise they would be to overbearing 1v1, as any tankiness that allows them to survive in a teamfight would make them imortal vs a single enemy) They need a lot more ways to stick to targets, and mostly, to handle cc, especially slows.

Besides giving those champs more indiviuall skills that help vs slows/cc(like slow reduction on shys W and some tenacity on her ult for example), we need better itemoptions for melees to stick/reach ranged guys with peeling. Why are all items that grant mobillity offensive? There is not a single tank item granting ms?(besides a high cd short duration active...) Why are mercs the only option for tenacity on tanks? This forces you to choose between mercs and boots of speed, while you definitly need both, the tenacity and the slow reduce, on bruisers. Another huge problem most people forget are the ms-softcaps. A champ with a in-kit speedbuff profits less from aditional ms from items, as that speedbuff alone usually already brings you to the first softcap. So while having comparable worse mobillity/beeing more reliant on mobillity, gapcloserless melees actually profit less from aditional ms than melees with gapcloser.

However, giving to much ms to those tanky guys would make them incredible anyoing splitpushers, as udyr and shy have proofen in the past, since they even escape a 5 man rapetrain. For this reason, alot mobillity would need to work like Vollies Q, only granting alot ms if walking towards enemys.

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