Two reasons for DotA 2 having about 3 times as much champion/hero diversity than LoL

Stiv1234 · 2015-08-28T07:29:39.271Z

Characters are more unique. You have few Characters that can be replaced by other, very similar heroes. In LoL, you often have 3 or 4 champs that fill the same niche, so players just take the strongest out of those and pick them every game. People have enough bans to eliminate the few meta heroes that can be picked in most situations. Seriously, 3/6 bans does jack if we have 20 meta champions flying around. My thoughts.

Stiv1234·Aug 28, 2015·15 votes·2,262 views

Characters are more unique. You have few Characters that can be replaced by other, very similar heroes. In LoL, you often have 3 or 4 champs that fill the same niche, so players just take the strongest out of those and pick them every game.
People have enough bans to eliminate the few meta heroes that can be picked in most situations. Seriously, 3/6 bans does jack if we have 20 meta champions flying around.

My thoughts.

20 Comments

IonianAug 28, 201515 votes

So your point is increase the amount of bans? I agree.

MilfHuntUnitXJ9Aug 28, 20151 votes

lol

KotexAug 28, 20158 votes

The reason is that heroes aren't defined BY and TO lanes and roles not nearly as strictly as league. As you said people just pick the top hero of the specific niche, for each niche, and whatever isn't considered at the top, or viable to work with is disregarded as being out of meta. Dota's meta isn't restricted by who takes what lane if they want to play whatever because for a majority of heroes it doesnt at all matter what lane they're in as long as they farm it efficiently. But Riot tailors their champions to accel at only one job, restricting them to the place that job is meant to go.

Secondly Valve doesn't buff/nerf every 2-3 weeks, changing everything up and down and around.

More bans do help though.

Apples and oranges, i know but some people grow better fruit in general.

MLDzXnRRRAug 28, 20155 votes

2/3 of the heroes in DOTA are made to be played by 5 years old... (Faceless Void ults me and misses half the times then I crit him 1 time and he explodes - I was PA... ) The game would be better, if they rework most of the strenght and agility heroes - most of the designs are like the old Sion, Garen and Annie, some are even more retarded - like the Lifestealer, Wraith King and company.

RatbertAug 28, 20156 votes

He chose not to build mkb versus pa. ???

MLDzXnRRRAug 29, 20151 votes

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He chose not to build mkb versus pa. ???

He build it later...

KONO RUBICK DAAug 28, 20155 votes

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2/3 of the heroes in DOTA are made to be played by 5 years old... (Faceless Void ults me and misses half the times then I crit him 1 time and he explodes - I was PA... ) The game would be better, if they rework most of the strenght and agility heroes - most of the designs are like the old Sion, Garen and Annie, some are even more retarded - like the Lifestealer, Wraith King and company.

a 5 years old faceless void would ulti his allies because he can't use it properly (like lvl 1 account i cross in dota 2) a 5 years old faceless void wouldn't know how to synergise his bash with items, also mkb remaining unknown for him he can't counter PA

lifestealer:

-you have retard lifestealer who press E+Q and die in 2 seconds, -you have pro lifestealer who uses their ulti to stealth gank in lane+ regain hp in fight+take controll of a minion and being a ward (enemies minions can't be destroyed by their allies)+take controle of a monster to get their ability and gank+ get naix bomb

wraith king: you will like to win against retarded WK who can't manage their mana.

MLDzXnRRRAug 29, 20151 votes

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a 5 years old faceless void would ulti his allies because he can't use it properly (like lvl 1 account i cross in dota 2) a 5 years old faceless void wouldn't know how to synergise his bash with items, also mkb remaining unknown for him he can't counter PA

lifestealer:

-you have retard lifestealer who press E+Q and die in 2 seconds, -you have pro lifestealer who uses their ulti to stealth gank in lane+ regain hp in fight+take controll of a minion and being a ward (enemies minions can't be destroyed by their allies)+take controle of a monster to get their ability and gank+ get naix bomb

wraith king: you will like to win against retarded WK who can't manage their mana.

FV - useless for 40 minutes, if you don't have big AOE spells outside the sphere... Lifestealer - will probably farm jungle whole game and be just useless - trashiest ganks ever... Wraith - managing mana????? what ? Also his ult can't trigger, if you get manaburned.

iTamsAug 28, 20157 votes

Lmfao. Holy shit you obviously never played dota, if you did, you are plainly a dumbass. There are so many nit-picky things with each hero that you probably don't know about.

If heroes in DotA are made for 5 year olds, then the champions in this game are for newborns and HotS is for fetuses.

Lifestealer and WK has to utilize Armlet, which is 50x harder to use than any item in this game. There are tons of strats for them, for example, the Lifestealer Bomb with his ult and WK saving points until level 11 for his ult to make sure the 5 minute cooldown doesn't happen on it.

Lifestealer also has his Q for magic immunity, popping it early and everything. Also, putting his E onto enemies for his team to heal as well. WK also has mana management, if he uses 2-3 Qs before he has a lot of stats, he wont have mana for ult, which means he dies for free.

WK does indeed have 1 active skill, but there are so many things to the game that make DotA a whole different game than LoL.

Faceless has his ult, but he has to make sure to aim it on the enemies and not his allies, has to pop BKB and Mjollnir and MoM, also has to time his Q to disjoint enemy projectiles. Also, he has to farm efficiently, with tread switching and deciding what to build. You are probably under 1k mmr if you faced a faceless that ulted a PA without MKB.

2/3 is not EVEN close to how many "stupid" heroes there are. But I see 1 stupid poster here, you.

ScowlingGusStrawAug 28, 20151 votes

WK is one of the easiest heroes to be played. Lifestealer spirit breaker bomb is the most obnoxious thing ever

KONO RUBICK DAAug 28, 20153 votes

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WK is one of the easiest heroes to be played. Lifestealer spirit breaker bomb is the most obnoxious thing ever

lifestealer stealth gank lifestealer taking control of neutral creep lifestealer stealing minions hp lifestealer being a free ward and naix bomb see what you can do with one spell?

Wraith king is the easiest heroes to be played? wait if you use 2 Q you won't have your ulti. You have to play him as a support with W/burst with Q/dps with E, or save his ulti until lvl 11, or getting stats and fully maxing Q for mana.

MLDzXnRRRAug 29, 20151 votes

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Lmfao. Holy shit you obviously never played dota, if you did, you are plainly a dumbass. There are so many nit-picky things with each hero that you probably don't know about.

If heroes in DotA are made for 5 year olds, then the champions in this game are for newborns and HotS is for fetuses.

Lifestealer and WK has to utilize Armlet, which is 50x harder to use than any item in this game. There are tons of strats for them, for example, the Lifestealer Bomb with his ult and WK saving points until level 11 for his ult to make sure the 5 minute cooldown doesn't happen on it.

Lifestealer also has his Q for magic immunity, popping it early and everything. Also, putting his E onto enemies for his team to heal as well. WK also has mana management, if he uses 2-3 Qs before he has a lot of stats, he wont have mana for ult, which means he dies for free.

WK does indeed have 1 active skill, but there are so many things to the game that make DotA a whole different game than LoL.

Faceless has his ult, but he has to make sure to aim it on the enemies and not his allies, has to pop BKB and Mjollnir and MoM, also has to time his Q to disjoint enemy projectiles. Also, he has to farm efficiently, with tread switching and deciding what to build. You are probably under 1k mmr if you faced a faceless that ulted a PA without MKB.

2/3 is not EVEN close to how many "stupid" heroes there are. But I see 1 stupid poster here, you.

Armlet is: press 1 button, get a ton of stats, if you don't rape them now, you will die. How is this any hard? Tell me. Also this faceless ulted me, because I wasn't full hp and it was 1v2, but I killed his teammate after that too. RNG is even stronger in DOTA - getting absurd crits on heroes like PA, Kunkka, Brewmaster, WK in a row is fkin retarded. Maybe I've played DOTA even before you - honestly there were better custom maps in WC3. The only thing that I like more in DOTA 2 is the itemisation and the ability to control multiple units (also custom games).

DecritAug 28, 20153 votes

Also, i want to notice that the teamfights in DOTA are absurdly different: each hero can do a lot of damage or completely change the situation in a fraction of seconds ( warlock has as ult Annie + stun incorporated, istant and with 3x the range of annie ult ) and so the teamfights, at least in competitive, are set up for combos and who engages who, and last seconds.

In those few seconds only the most important quality of an hero is considerable, and there is less issues about lacking dps ( if there it is, is because you ar ebehind of levels or because your carry has issues ). Then there are different ways to do teamfights, i agree, but the way it is so much concentrated compared to lol makes so there is not so much comparison between heroes.

Then again, if we look at old Mordekaiser for example you see that had a really poor strategic characterization: beyyond the ult he bought only common aoe damage and other subpar stuff, while the ult did not add that much strategy beyond "focus that shit and we steamroll"; new Mordekaiser, to compèarize, has a way better identified strategic niche, even tought somebody can argue that there can be a lot of improvements, and i agree on that.

Salt Miner 49 ErAug 28, 20153 votes

Invoker and Meepo are probably the hardest MOBA characters to play well on a mechanical level alone.

1 WingAug 28, 20152 votes

Haha, yah: Blitz op? Well, here's another grabbing champion; deal with the grab! . . .here's another grabbing champion. . .here's another grabbing champion! Muhahahaha!

I think it would be neat if you could ban out burst mages, or one niche of character, to force other types of compositions. But there's always another X type of champion around, so you just have to ban the most annoying champions to play against, rather than banning out strengths, because that "strength" is spread out across the whole champion pool.

windwolf777Aug 28, 20151 votes

Wait, who's the other grab? The first one that comes to my mind is Pudge and Batrider. So then who's the third? Tiny toss, Venge swap, CK pull thing, Magnus ult+skewer, Tusk Kick, Earth Spirit, Rubick, Disruptor glimpse? Or was 3 just just a random number?

Nobody1111Aug 28, 20154 votes

he was talking about riot releasing more grabbing champions after blitz, aka thresh and natilus

windwolf777Aug 28, 20151 votes

Oh shit I thought he was talking about how dota heroes have fewer grabs than lol. I totally missed the point of that comment. Sorry about that

PoisonedTeaAug 28, 20152 votes

Well it is based of an older game for 1!

Where your kinda right about champions being more unique their is more to it. They have more flexibility in the way they make the abilities on the champions. You never get a champion with one ability in LoL. LoL champions have 4 active abilities(3 at the least). One other thing is they use hidden skills as well. LoL makes everything as clear as you can be.