Deathfire Touch vs Thunderlord's Decree

K54·Dec 24, 2015·2 votes·1,790 views

My logic

Deathfire Touch = long range mages, can kite/harass/poke consistently, DOT abilities, low CD, these champions can safely farm/waveclear from distance with little interruption

Thuderlord's Decree = all assassins, any melee mage, short range mages, AA heavy mages and any champ that likes to cycle a combo then fallback until they can cycle the whole combo again

I would like this train of thought to be reassured or corrected by G1+ players, please and thank you.

11 Comments

Chaotic SageDec 24, 20151 votes

I feel like more can just be transferred into thunderlords. Cause it's just so strong right now.

K54Dec 24, 20151 votes

That's what I'm told every time. And of course late game, Thunderlord's will always win when it comes down to a single trade a few attacks. But I'm thinking early long range laning phase.

You have a champ like Annie who's Q in on a static 4 second CD. Meaning she can proc 6 + 20% AP 7 times guaranteed (since it's point and click) in a 30 second time period. That has to beat out Thunderlord's 90 + 10% every 30 seconds, right?

Maximum MordeDec 24, 20151 votes

Annie can't reliably keep DFT running unless her opponent is brain dead. Neither can Veigar.

K54Dec 24, 20151 votes

So Basically, for now, Thunderlord's is the way to go?

Maximum MordeDec 24, 20152 votes

If you are in doubt. Use Thunderlord. The cunning tree as a whole is solid, and Thunderlord is very easy to use. Yeah, in optimal cases it is weaker than ferocity keystones, but you can't underestimate consistency and easy of use.

iHerringDec 24, 20151 votes

Definitely change Lux, she can proc Thunderlords with E>AA (detonate passive counts as 2) and with her early mana doesn't want to spam things just for some DFT.

ErdamonDec 24, 20151 votes

I'm kinda suprised you asssigned Rumble as a Thunderlord user rather than Deathfire, he does a lot better with the other keystone after all.

Asayake 5150glowDec 24, 20151 votes

In the case of using Thunderlords on Diana , I don't think it's a good idea because you'll be eating a combo while you retreat (though W does help negate that). Personally I prefer Stormraider's on all of my assassins, except those with a built in escape that doesn't require a kill ( Fizz )

K54Dec 24, 20151 votes

That's a completely new perspective! But my mains are Talon Fizz My other mains are Ekko MonkeyKing which I run as tanks with Bond of Stone.

Asayake 5150glowDec 25, 20151 votes

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That's a completely new perspective! But my mains are My other mains are which I run as tanks with Bond of Stone.

I've been playing a lot of Khazix recently, and I've found that in early game, the extra movespeed to stick onto your target or get away is very useful. Once you get into late game, you usually can't oneshot unless you're 1) super fed (which I usually am, so...) 2) they're squishy and you need to use ur ult. Of course, that's mainly cuz I usually mess up my Rav reset and/or miss my W. So if you jump on someone in a teamfight (well, before a teamfight) and take out half of their life, you get the extra movespeed to run away. Besides, the cooldown on Stormraider's is a lot more manageble - 10 seconds. At max rank with CDR, Khazix 's E has a 9 second cd.