Karma... Still underwhelming.

Kunoki··6 votes·1,097 views

When compared to characters like Maokai and LeBlanc, Karma's snare falls so short it makes me sad. Karma's kit is a lot of fun, but she can feel worthless when it comes to being really useful.

  • Her burst doesn't match other mages, and her utility barely matches that of lower tier supports.
  • Her skillshot and only source of damage is a laughable joke. The range isn't very good, and the damage isn't very high. Sure, I can spam it all day, but that means nothing when she's categorized as a MAGE. If I get in range to poke an Annie, she'll either out trade me or oneshot me with her Tibbers combo. If I get in range to poke a Veigar, I'll get stunned, and killed in his burst combo. If I try to get in range to poke a Malz... You get the point. Her damage doesn't suit her mage role.
  • Her spell costs are fairly high when you take into account the majority of them are designed to be spammed almost on CD during laning phase.
  • She lacks a heal (For her allies) So she has to either predict incoming damage, which results in rapidfire use of her E, or just Mantra it as much as you can during a teamfight to shield everyone.
  • Her snare, as mentioned before, is so bad it HURTS. At level 1, where Leblanc has a much longer range, shorter cooldown, higher damage and a flat 2 second duration, Karma has pathetically low damage on it, barely over half the chain distance before it breaks, a very low and scaling duration and a longer cooldown. Even with Mantra, it doesn't match Leblanc. And please, don't give me the "It's a point and click, so obviously it's not as good as a skillshot!" argument. Maokai's is point and click, and his also sets up his ENTIRE KIT in addition to being a 2+ second snare. The heal on the mantra is weak and not worth it for a 40 second cooldown effect. The AoE slow and AoE shield + Speed so heavily outweighs the .75 seconds of extra snare in almost every situation it's laughable.

Long story short, Karma feels weak. All of her skills and abilities are torn from previous champions, as opposed to her old kit, which was far more unique. For being a copycat character, why are all of her abilities so underwhelming compared to where they were taken from? LB's snare is superior. Ezreal's Q is far surperior, even if you take the AoE effect into account. Janna shields for more. The only time Karma TRUELY shines is when her Mantra is up, and her abilties feel useful. Problem is, unless you have a good laning phase, get CDR and lane all your Qs, good luck using mantra more than 1-2 times per fight, if that. This inability to use the entire point of her kit really rubs me the wrong way. Remove Mantra's cooldown and give it a huge mana cost, and then we can talk. In her current state, Karma is caught in this void of uselessness when her Mantra is down, especially if the enemy has a Trundle or other slow abilities which counteract her shield's entire speed boost. Sona does her job better in almost every way, all while having an actual ultimate.

12 Comments

Tristyric2 votes

Well she used to be a practical mid lane utility mage until her damage options took a nerf in favor of a very minor utility gain (mantra damage removed on her W and E really was a massive hit to her power). I used to be a big fan of Mid lane Karma. Current Karma was riots way of basically pushing her back into the one lane champion status, unfortunately I do think it fell rather short of the intended goal. This can happen when theirs too much focus on the secondary role, you might end up with a champion whose skirting the line and only mediocre at either role. Shes not unplayable of course but I do understand people not picking her up.

Aeolian Melodies2 votes

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  • She lacks a heal (For her allies) So she has to either predict incoming damage, which results in rapidfire use of her E, or just Mantra it as much as you can during a teamfight to shield everyone.

Janna Lulu Morgana

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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Janna Lulu Morgana

But those champions have better kits to make up for their lack of healing. Morgana for example has the exact same skill shot for her Q but unlike Karma's own it, snares aside from doing a lot of damage and it has a longer range.

I'm not saying that Karma should have allied healing and what not, she need something to make her more impactful.

TaoistMaster1 votes

Janna has a heal..

For her entire team.

Karbuncle2 votes

Not sure why you were downvoted to hell,all your points are ones many Karma players agree with.

HEAljvLykd1 votes

Maybe it's just you and not karma.. Have you seen Bjerg play karma or any high elo play karma? If not then you should

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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Have you seen Bjerg play karma or any high elo play karma? If not then you should

Is Karma really that strong ?

I was spamming her for a while with the intent to get to level 5 with her and I just stopped because I just couldn't figure out how to make her have a serious impact as a support or any meaning full impact after the laning phase. She is fun, no doubt, but feels too useless. Sona is a far better substitute for a poke and shield shield support.

Tristyric3 votes

No she isn't but again, shes not unplayable. Keep in mind the difference between a player whose heavily familiar with a champion and people picking the champion up for the first time or slowly becoming accustomed to them. Judging a champions strength by the skill or "lack there of" of a few players no matter how good only leads to skewed results. The best advice i could give as far as support is build to survive and work on optimizing your CDR if you find her damage to be underwhelming. More snares, more shields and more Mantra shields at the right time can help in a full 5v5 situation. If you focus on the later game 5v5 scenarios you'll still have some impact on the game in whole. Otherwise its all about comfort level when playing the champ. Karma could be and has been a lot better. You could also be better with her. Both are true of every player and every champ but one doesn't cancel out the other in any case.

jester jihad1 votes

I love karma honestly, it feels great to have an 800 damage Q on a 3 second cooldown and a 40% missing hp heal on a 5 or less second cooldown in teamfights lategame

REDREX71 votes

Karma needs buffs. I would know. I play her all the time. ..... very weak very underwhelming... totally!

DrNova1 votes

I think Karma is fi e personally. And her poke is much better then you claim if you can get it past the minions.

Malcha1 votes

Are you not using her ult......?

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