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Quinn and Valor

Spades121··9 votes·1,748 views

Seeing that Quinn and valor is free this week, I've been wondering why nobody plays her. I mean I love the champion but it seems that nobody shares that love with me. I rarely see any streamers play her as well. Opinions?

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Konidias11 votes

I main Quinn and honestly I can sum up in one word why she doesn't get played much:

Ignorance.

Whenever I see someone talking about how Quinn isn't viable, or she's bad late game, it just tells me they don't know how to play her.

I think she's just unpopular because

  1. Not many pros play her
  2. There are so many other flavor of the month champs that are easier to play

She's good. She's real good. But you're going to get flack for using her. JUST today I get in a game and straight away the Teemo on my team is telling me how Quinn is a weak pick, how she falls off late game, etc... Tells me I'm going to be worthless after 15 minutes into the game. Guess what? I go 13/1/6 that game. The Teemo? 3/8/6

But even after that game where I carried hard, he wouldn't admit Quinn was good. His excuse was that I "got fed" but that I still shouldn't be playing Quinn.

I mean... what do I have to do to convince a person Quinn is viable? I won the early game, I won the mid game. I ganked bot and killed both bot laners, I was strong at picking off their damage dealers in late game... but oh man, it's all just because I got fed.

I will admit she's not a strong ADC. In those situations, you'll likely lose lane. But so what? Typically right after your bot lane tower falls, the enemy bot roams around and leaves their bot lane tower free to take. I see it all the time. Plus, Quinn has the ability to DELETE nearly every ADC in the game, even when she's 2 levels behind them.

Also... she's INCREDIBLY viable as a mid laner. But good luck convincing anyone of that. You know that 13/1/6 game I mentioned? Mid laned against a Xerath. I took heaps of damage but he could never close out a kill on me, and I eventually got strong enough to roam bot and take out both of their bot laners, giving my bot lane a huge lead, putting myself ahead in mid, and the mid laner got practically nothing.

While I'd love to see her get some of her buggy AA fixed (and her current glitch of her passive not activating when you are max distance from targets) I really don't think she needs a huge buff.

Honestly I like that she is underplayed because it means she is almost never banned or picked. If she got really popular, I might not get to play her nearly as much.

OblongOtter2 votes

People in this game can be really stupid. "Your champ sucks. Oh you did good? That's just because you got fed, which obviously has nothing to do with how good you and your champ are." I recently had "We only lost because your champ is OP. "Oh, my team did everything possible to give you a perfect teamfight, and you survived a hard counter in your lane and got fed off of roaming to me while I was severely out of position? AND Jinx was the fed one and the one carrying, not you? Well you killed me (the top laner) during early to mid game more than her, so that means your entire win is only because you picked a strong champ. Matchups, smart roaming, and not actually carrying aren't words, stop making stuff up."

Cindikle2 votes

You have a 53% winrate with her. Your KDA is 8.8/6.7/6 Your average farm is 184.8

Your CS is about the only thing that really looks all that. For having over 500 games in S4 on her I would of hoped for better. Especially considering how strong she is in the top lane.

She IS a strong champion. But you can do what she does on other champions better in most cases. As an ADC you can easily be punished for your short range. Using your Vault telegraphs where you will land. A good support will make an ADC Quinn cry. As a mid lane she is overall an assassin. Plays like Fizz or Kat. If you can't do well early, you can roam to bot and get fed very easily. But Fizz and Kat are always a threat even if they are behind because of how their kits work. Quinn can easily get blown up for entering a fight without doing much damage. As a top she's one of those op annoying top lanners. But if you get behind at all she becomes crap past lanning because your teams likely down a tank slot. But you really have to have a bad lanning phase of be hard countered to have this problem.

She lacks a proper image. It's like the same problem as Diana. Fighter/Assassin combo. But can't be great at either one or she instantly becomes OP.

Konidias1 votes

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You have a 53% winrate with her. Your KDA is 8.8/6.7/6 Your average farm is 184.8

Your CS is about the only thing that really looks all that. For having over 500 games in S4 on her I would of hoped for better. Especially considering how strong she is in the top lane.

She IS a strong champion. But you can do what she does on other champions better in most cases. As an ADC you can easily be punished for your short range. Using your Vault telegraphs where you will land. A good support will make an ADC Quinn cry. As a mid lane she is overall an assassin. Plays like Fizz or Kat. If you can't do well early, you can roam to bot and get fed very easily. But Fizz and Kat are always a threat even if they are behind because of how their kits work. Quinn can easily get blown up for entering a fight without doing much damage. As a top she's one of those op annoying top lanners. But if you get behind at all she becomes crap past lanning because your teams likely down a tank slot. But you really have to have a bad lanning phase of be hard countered to have this problem.

She lacks a proper image. It's like the same problem as Diana. Fighter/Assassin combo. But can't be great at either one or she instantly becomes OP.

Yeah, stats don't tell the whole story... So uhhh I'll elaborate:

  1. I started playing this game around August
  2. I jumped RIGHT into ranked on Quinn after I hit level 30
  3. I obviously did pretty badly on her for many games before I learned the game more and how to play the champ

So my winrate is low because of this. I actually was at nearly 40% winrate with her, so to be at 53% now is quite a feat in my opinion.

Same with KDA. I have bad games and good games, but my KDA is pretty bad mostly because of my early ranked games. If I were to play a Quinn smurf now, I'm sure my stats would look a lot better, obviously.

So please don't take my stats as a sign that Quinn is bad, or that I'm unskilled or something. It's really that you're looking at my entire ranked career... ever.

As for not doing well when you get behind... I feel like if anything, this means she is actually balanced. Sure there are a handful of champs out there that can be 0/6 and still delete people... but that's because those champs are stupidly broken and need nerfs. I'm not saying Quinn is the strongest champ in the game or anything, but in the right hands, she is definitely viable.

Also, while she can't be viable no matter what, she can easily lose lane and still delete squishies 2 levels above her. Certainly there are champs that are stronger than she is, but I don't main Quinn because I want easy wins or freelo.

I main Quinn because I find her extremely fun to play. I wouldn't have 500+ games on her otherwise. Every game I learn something new when playing her.

I've learned little tricks and nuances to her skills that most people don't even think about. Such as how to bait people to get close enough for your AA, even when they know they are marked. When to ult. When to vault. How to get her passive to mark targets you want marked 100% of the time. When to use and not to use vault while initiating as Valor. Etc...

There's a lot to every champ... and I think Quinn is definitely viable. I think it would be really interesting to see her used in the LCS. I really feel like having direct communication with a team would be such a huge benefit with Quinn. It's hard for me to tell my team "okay now I'm going to dive in" during a solo q match. But if I had a coordinated team on mics, and I could say "okay I've flown behind the enemy team, ENGAGE NOW and I'll burst the ADC down!" and then have my team initiate, and I can just fly into the enemy back line from behind and delete their biggest damage dealer... THAT would be a satisfying game.

Quinn in solo q can be extremely rough... especially when you get teams that:

  1. don't understand split pushing
  2. don't understand how quinn works for team fights

I literally had someone yelling at me today and telling me to get on the back line like an ADC and we'd win the game... Uhhh no thanks!

Cindikle1 votes

Guess I would have to say that's fairly impressive. Quite a few games in a short time to improve that much.

And yes, I would agree Quinn has a problem with teams understanding what she does. And what's the best way for her team to use her.

But old Karma also had this problem(before your time). Although she was on a whole different level. She ended up getting reworked and this was part of the reason for that. I wouldn't say Quinn has to worry about this just yet. But I feel as though this will always be something she'll have to watch out for as long as she has a weak identity and low playrate.

Avious8 votes

I play Quinn quite a lot in bot lane. She is a great 1v1 champion and a great lane bully. If she gets slightly ahead early she is hard to shut down since she has great mobility, vision control and good burst if you can use the passive correctly (passive proc>E>passive proc again). However, she has some weaknesses that imo keep her unappreciated. She lacks reliable range thus being vulnerable to ADCs with huge range like Ashe and Cailyn as well as poke supports like Lulu. She also has a hard time coming back if she falls behind. Her teamfight presense is veery bad and the only thing she can do is try to assassinate the enemy ADC or wait and cleanup with Valor. Finally, her late game scaling is not as good as other ADCs (not saying she scales bad, she's just not a hypercarry). Weaknesses aside, I believe she is a very strong champion in the right hands and can definirely carry.

Leti the Yeti4 votes

I heard Quinn is a bot lane reject, who exerts all her hatred on top laners

But so far, I've yet to see a bad bot lane Quinn

SunGold3 votes

i love her too, my friends say that she is garbage... (i secretly hate my friends)

Sohleks2 votes

1v1 Quinn is actually very good. She's not an uncommon pick in 1v1 tournaments. Just fyi

Remlap12232 votes

Basically her range and ability scalings are what's holding her back. She gets poked out early game and has really bad ability scaling. Her blind doesn't scale, and she pretty much just doesn't outgrow her early game damage handicap. You max her Q first, you get waveclear but no burst potential. Max her W first, you get huge vision control and dueling potential, but your abilities do no damage. Max her E first, and you've got damage and disengage, but can't do anything in teamfights except ult squishies.

That being said, she's a nightmare to deal with top because her bullying potential against melee champs is ridiculous. Of course, This is also easily mitigated by playing caster champions like Ryze and Pantheon.

Siyther1 votes

i agree that she could use some added range though but take her against another lesser ranged champ she owns

Drunk Rummate2 votes

I own every skin =3

and lol @ people who think she's weak against other ADs

i've outdueled Dravens that are up a full item on me before. just ult, blind, burst, execute.

Cindikle2 votes

She is overall a weak ADC. Short range, her mobility puts her into danger. Her ult turns her into a melee.

If played in other rolls she's amazing though. The mobility from her ult makes ganking other lanes work very well. She's one of those top lanners that make people complain about ranged top lanners(with good reason, fyi, she hard counters Riven). Mid lane works a bit differently but overall ends the same. Poke, play safe, abuse your passive/E. Gank other lanes with R.

After that the problem comes down to that she mostly builds squishy. You generally want some tankiness from your top lane, and her waveclear/burst is limited as a mid lanner. There are just better picks in almost every lane over her. She's a strong solo Q champ in top lane and situational in other lanes. In 5's/pro's she's easier to shut down. Just don't expect much as an ADC unless you get a real quick lead. Because she does fall off late game(again, short range, limited mobility).

Sarutobi1 votes

i do watch this one guy who mainly supports, but when he goes top he is a beast at playing Quinn! honestly i dont get it either, but i guess its because all the "pros" dont use/play her that often so people dont usually use her!

Cale0171 votes

REALLY?!?!?!

I'm sorry, but I've actually been really REALLY considering learning her since I've been finding myself having some anxiety issues with laning after getting used to the jungle and I hear she's a safe top pick.

I know her kit isn't particularly powerful, and she isn't a strong ADC compared to others, but I see a lot of potential for fun with her.

Sohleks1 votes

Popular opinion is that Quinn's most viable position is as a hard counter to top lane melee champs. That's why Quinn top gets played. Her E spell is a very powerful engage/anti engage spell, and on top of that Q provides a blind. She's not seen as effective as a bot laner because against ranged champs E doesn't help mitigate much damage and Q is blockable by minions. That and her somewhat shorter range.

Quinn is good at laning top. The issue is you need to not make many mistakes because even though you are an ADC Quinn is not super great late game. I doubt we'll see her much in competitive ever because she doesn't provide much utility in fights.

Siyther1 votes

im i the only one that uses her q to farm minions. its great for wave clear. the e ability just is so good at engaging and its a slow as well they cant get away most times unless they flash in which case good in 20 seconds i do it again and u have no escape \

Rune Ocarina1 votes

I play Quinn top lane and it's really fun. You can use her mid lane as well to make the best of her ultimate. Other than that, I think Quinn needs some love to get a little more popular. God forbid she could definitely use it.

Cale0173 votes

I think you mean "god knows" haha

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

I have seen a good mid Quinn yesterday. While she had no chance to fight me face to face every gank which forced me out of lane she started ganking. Since our jungler was horrible, theirs focussed midlane and they always had crab-control she was able to put up a lot of pressure.

Sadly our botlane (including an apparently bought Plat 1 account on Ezreal) had absolutely no map awareness ( I permanently had the river pinked as well as the enemy jungle entrance warded) and botlane didn't react to a sinlge freaking ping...

While most botlanes are not as easy to gank as ours that game I believe that Quinn does put a lot of pressure on the enemy if played well, especially if their jungler focusses on her lane and crab control.

WARLAG01 votes

Well I main Galio but if for whatever reason I must ADC and occasionally top then I go Quinn. She is actually great, people say her late game is bad but I disagree, spot someone wandering alone and you are an amazing assassin, in teamfights you can have so much damage output and your kiting can be ridiculous. Sure she doesn't have the best range but her mobility and damage are insane if used properly.

If you are interested: twitch.tv/warlag I'm trying to work on a schedule as of now, should get updated soon, I got mostly Galio stuff since, like I said I main him, but there is some Quinn occasionally too, anyways feel free to check it out if you want.

Siyther1 votes

if u think quinn is bad last game then u didnt build her right
i ass stomp everyone with quinn

WARLAG01 votes

But I didn't said she was bad D: In fact, I said the opposite of that. I love my b*tch :)

Aspynn1 votes

Quinn IMO is best suited to top right now. She has short range, so bad vs adcs, but good against melee. She's a fantastic dueler, something that is needed in toplane, and her e is amazing at stopping moves with a leaping animation. She can stop kha jump, jax jump, rivens 3rd q, panth stun, etc. She fairs very well against most toplaners right now, whereas she's just inferior to most other adcs in teamfighting and 2v2 situations.

Quinn is actually on the free rotation a LOT. Like every 3rd week or something I see her, mainly because she isn't played much I suppose. I really like Quinn, but I honestly think she needs a bit of love, not for botlane, but for top. She's a really good toplaner, and she just doesn't fit well in bot :

Kingsgrave1 votes

Clunky

One trick pony

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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affectioned1 votes

Except being the only ADC (besides maybe trist) that can out duel her 1v1 late game, because of the blind. Atleast in my experience. A lot of people say that Quinn is Vayne's counter, too. :3 She's just fun to play.

thePandev1 votes

She's an AADCADC (Anti-ADC ADC). She basically tries to shut down the other ADC as hard as possible and make them useless. I played her quite a bit in ranked and own her epic skin, she's pretty damn good if you're fed, you can kill nearly anything, but its VERY HARD to catch up if you fuck up. She has no waveclear and doesn't have the range if youre behind.

Konidias1 votes

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She's an AADCADC (Anti-ADC ADC). She basically tries to shut down the other ADC as hard as possible and make them useless. I played her quite a bit in ranked and own her epic skin, she's pretty damn good if you're fed, you can kill nearly anything, but its VERY HARD to catch up if you fuck up. She has no waveclear and doesn't have the range if youre behind. Well with most champs if you're fed you can kill anything.

It's true that if you fall too far behind, you are basically useless... You need to be able to burst down a single target quickly... and when you can't do that, you might as well just call it a day. The trick is to play a solo lane, so at least you get an XP advantage over their ADC. This will allow you to always be able to focus down their ADC since you should theoretically be stronger than them or at least strong enough to erase them with your all in.

She does have waveclear though. If you are behind, just rush a Shiv and now you can waveclear quite fast. Her passive mark helps increase her attack speed to clear waves faster... and shiv is just beautiful for it. Plus you can spam your blind later in the game if you max it first, and it works great for wave clear.

In fact, mid game Quinn has some of the fastest wave clear in the game... (maybe in the top 15 champs) Which is what makes her an excellent split pusher. (that, and her ability to fly out and escape if the enemy team runs to stop her) If you get shiv and zephyr on her, you have so much wave clear and attack speed that nobody can leave you unattended or else you'll just bulldoze to their nexus.

I actually won a lost game today... it got into late game and the enemy team was just wrecking us. 60+ second death timers... We had 2 of their inhib turrets down, but the enemy team was going for baron and so were we. I told my team "I'm going to just backdoor while you guys contest baron".

So what happens? Three of my teammates die, and the enemy team steals Baron buff... and... I take their nexus. :) It was extremely satisfying, and only a few champs can pull off such a fun backdoor. I just ulted as Valor from midway in the enemy top lane... flew straight down, took out their top inhib, and then turbo attacked their nexus before any of them could use the baron buff to back and stop me. Had I failed, my team surely would have lost, but Quinn has those little fun surprises that makes her a joy to play.

aaronconlin1 votes

I really don't know why people dislike her. I've played her both ADC bottom lane and in the top lane as more of a bruiser, she's got great map presence with her ult, it's hard to escape her, and she does quite a bit of damage.

Konidias1 votes

Thanks. :)

Yeah I feel like something will eventually have to happen with Quinn. Hopefully just some QoL improvements... She's quite glitchy.

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