Zz'rot question.

Faustavian·Dec 25, 2015·5 votes·543 views

How do you feel, when you see the enemy toplaner build this? Because I've started to fall in love with this item and it's capability, but no one ever uses it against me.

18 Comments

TheThundersRoarDec 25, 20156 votes

Nasus OH. MY. GOD. YES!

Void NargacugaDec 25, 20151 votes

Never get it if the enemy has him! NEVER! Its basically free Q stack farming for him. Best advice ever honestly. XD

FaustavianDec 26, 20151 votes

I figured that out, the hard way. item 3070

Void NargacugaDec 26, 20151 votes

We all learn from our own mistakes.

Hello I am BirdDec 25, 20152 votes

First thought: Wow, this guy must be Yoricks Best friend.

Void NargacugaDec 25, 20152 votes

Its a really good item on champions that like to stack health since the voidlings it creates can deal more damage on occasion based off your max health... DrMundo <-- Is one good example.

It offers nice amounts of both Armor and Magic Resist. Though unlike item 3026 it doesn't provide the resurrection and that is the major trade off. I actually use it in my Malzahar build that I use. I can never have enough voidlings to take down a turret in no time.

Shrek LuigiDec 25, 20153 votes

In spite of them both giving armor and MR, the situational use of these items is pretty much completely different.

GA is a defensive item that would generally be picked up by high-dps glass cannon champs--as a typically-singular defensive purchase--who have a hard time staying in teamfights.

ZZ is an offensive pick due to the fact that it's sole purpose is to give beefier Champs more pushing strength during sieges/split pushes.

GA is a nice item for what it does, but a lot of people don't see past the stats that an item gives (or its "super OP passive effect") and label items in their head as the appropriate pick when there are generally better choices. The example you gave re Mundo is perfect because he's a prime model of how the HP5 and turret-crushing power would be more useful than simply Staying Alive--something Mundo does extraordinarily well with or without GA.

Void NargacugaDec 26, 20151 votes

So true. Experimental building should be done by everyone. You may end up finding certain items work surprisingly well for a champion. Or you may just laugh at how much of a bad choice it was. All in all, it can be very interesting to see what items have great synergy with certain champions. Or even other items as well.

MunchCrunchLunchDec 25, 20152 votes

its useless tbh.

Shrek LuigiDec 25, 20152 votes

I love using it on tanky supports and toplaners with naturally-poor turret-breaking skills-- Leona Nautilus TahmKench Rumble Malphite .

Hugely underrated item, especially if you're running with HP5 runepages and need to keep that sustain up. People who diss the ZZ are probably the same people who think HP5 is a junk stat on all champions, or build DMP for armor every effing game because the idea of situational item-picking escapes them completely, so screw it

I like running it on supports because a lot of the time I end up grabbing Aegis as well--the upgraded Banner has a lot of synergy with ZZ, both in the stats that they give and the unique actives they have.

elon wątrobaDec 25, 20151 votes

Well dmp suits some champions so well that is almost core on them :D. On tanky support i would rather build randuin/frozen heart and count on teammates about pushing especially with new minion pushing change.

Sneakyy XDDec 25, 20151 votes

I get excited that I get to gain more gold and that my opponent wasted some gold.

Pierce The VealDec 25, 20151 votes

{quoted}

I get excited that I get to gain more gold and that my opponent wasted some gold.

The zzrot's minions don't give gold or exp.

The Zzrot's gate is semi impossible to kill with someone guarding it.

Sneakyy XDDec 25, 20151 votes

{quoted}

The zzrot's minions don't give gold

Hmm, you're right. Did they at one point? I wonder what I'm remembering.

Pierce The VealDec 25, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Hmm, you're right. Did they at one point? I wonder what I'm remembering.

Never on live.

I think they might have given 5 or 3 on PBE, but I am probably wrong.

I myself though they did give gold for a while, but only realized they didn't after fighting a thresh midlane with zzrot's as casseiopeia in a normal. I have no idea how I went from getting firstblood to losing :/

CatastropDec 26, 20151 votes

I've seen some troll bot lane comps that used this item to great effect. Blitzcrank Thresh item 3060 item 3512 Each had one and my god, our bot lane was always pushed.

ViashinoWizardDec 26, 20151 votes

Fun fact: dropping the portal directly in front of a charging Sion will deflect his ult.

alfavhunterDec 26, 20151 votes

Thresh blitz not with a Quinn mid, yi jungle and tryndimere too is a decent comp, 3 heavy AD carries and 2 tanks CC with some AP damage mixed with heavy split push items

Yi has true damage, blitz has AP thresh has AP, so it keeps it from being to far ad and with the split push power of 2 banners and 2 zzrots it means they will get objectives even off all 5 are mid because they can power push not with the items and head mid, when someone goes not to stop it you engage in mid