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PSA: Most Champs can kill LB / Zed as fast as they kill You

YossarianSensei··5 votes·639 views

I swear the sheep-mentality has got people to fear these champs so much that they actually forget how to play.

I literally face-palm every time I see a Mid/AD get engaged on by Zed/LB, run around doing nothing for a few seconds seconds, die, and then go complain about how OP Zed/LB is without even TRYING to fight back.

PSA : This is not LCS, LB is not that OP, please attack the friggen enemy - YOU ARE MIND GAMING YOURSELF AND ITS COSTING YOUR TEAM.

**LeBlanc has 1.1k HP with 52 Armor and 30 MR at lvl 11 - that's like NOTHING. Inb4 "oh but LB gets so many defensive runes/masteries/items".... No, she really doesn't : **http://www.probuilds.net/guide/KR/1631158887/4460427

HERE ARE SOME DAMGE OUTPUTS FOR CHAMPIONS AT LVL 11 WITH NO ITEMS/RUNES/MASTERIES:

  • Graves : AA (81) + Q (Rank 5 360) + AA(81) + R(Rank 2 400) + AA(81) =** 1001 dmg (**about 650 post resistance)

  • Thresh 0 Souls : Hook (Rank 1 80) + Empowered AA (67 + 67 + 67) + Flay (Rank 5 185) + Box (Rank 2 400) = 866 dmg (Mostly Magic dmg = about 650 post resistance)

  • DravenDraven Draven : R(Rank 2 pass 1 275) + Axe ( 81 + 69 ) + E ( Rank 1 70 ) + Axe ( 81 + 69 ) + R(Rank 2 pass 2 275) = 920 dmg

  • Veigar Assuming 0 stacks and LB has 0 AP built : AA (74) + Q (Rank 5 260) + R (Rank 2 375) =** 709 dmg **with literally nothing but Q + R

  • Annie : AA(73) + Q (Rank 5 220) + W(Rank 2 115) + R(Rank 2 300 + 30 dmg initial burn) =** 635 dmg**

Now imagine if you had Summoners / Items / Runes / Masteries / TEAMMATES???

SO TL;DR please stop playing like a friggen pansy and actually do something.

16 Comments

Very Hard Engage2 votes

pretty sure everyone above level ~ 9 has at least 1000hp.

LaserDeathBlade2 votes

Yeah I never understood the Zed hate either

I've tried playing Zed so many times, except by late game you Ult the ADC and it just kills you in 3 autos. Most people should at least be able to trade 1 for 1 with Zed, which is terrible risk vs reward because if you don't kill the other guy then your team is just completely fked.

disregardable1 votes

"it"

. . .

I feel like such a valuable contribution to a team.

Vistha Kai2 votes

LB was considered a troll pick with 40% winrate that makes you lose games... then somebody picked her in LCS and magically people forgot about that first part and she pulled out OP'ness out of her ass.

Totally upvoted. Banning LB is a wasted ban.

OperationDEEZ11 votes

The Nunu mains started playing her when they finally found out thart she made life a nightmare for other mid laners.

Reikken1 votes

and here's lv 11 LeBlanc: W (used to get in range. 0 damage) + Q (rank 5 310) + R (rank 2 400) + E (rank 3 90) + W (return, back out of range) = 800 in half a second and then she's 1200 range away again not counting the 2.5 AP ratio

She could get closer and add a little more base damage and another 1.1 AP ratio, but then she would take damage, and that's no good

stuartk111 votes

Doesn't LeBlanc deal her damage faster than your skillshot travels towards her? I swear I never see her take longer than 0.75 seconds to do a full combo (and that's the bad LeBlanc players too). She's really not hard to win with, especially when you consider how little time your opponent has to react to the engage. If they choose to implement the change that Zed got to LeBlanc's distortion, then people will probably have little to complain about.

LaserDeathBlade1 votes

Yeah but if you know she's going to dash at you, you can just throw your shyt at her and it will definitely hit her lol

Zed ult is slow but invuln, LB is fast but vulnerable

stuartk111 votes

{quoted}

Yeah but if you know she's going to dash at you, you can just throw your shyt at her and it will definitely hit her lol

Zed ult is slow but invuln, LB is fast but vulnerable

That argument is hilariously weak.

Firstly, her dash is incredibly fast, and her Q R E combo is enough to outburst you regardless, and she is able to cast these before you are able to hit her.

Secondly, a mage never casting any spells to hold off for one spell to stand a chance against another champion is already proof of her power anyways.

Thirdly, Zed is easy to deal with, since it is easy to predict where he's going to appear. LeBlanc is not so simple, and requires perfect precision to go even (at best) with her.

YossarianSensei1 votes

It sounds like you're getting outplayed

Either way this isn't a discussion of whether or not she's OP, the point is you can easily trade with her and at least deal some damage.

stuartk111 votes

{quoted}

It sounds like you're getting outplayed

Either way this isn't a discussion of whether or not she's OP, the point is you can easily trade with her and at least deal some damage.

Outplay does not equal lack of counterplay. I actually made the point that her combo is fast enough to prevent retaliation, and it has little to do with the player being attacked. That is the part that I find OP, the part that you are obviously trying to skim over.

YossarianSensei1 votes

It's not that fast lol

Her Dash takes long enough for players to react.

stuartk111 votes

{quoted}

It's not that fast lol

Her Dash takes long enough for players to react.

And her combo is faster than it takes for those skillshots to travel towards her after reacting. It is, infact, that fast. The proposed change will make her unable to go back after she quickly casts her spells, since it takes about 0.5 seconds to cast her combo, and the 1 second wait will mean that any skillshots sent out to react to her will actually hit her. I don't see why you would oppose such a change unless you are overstating your point.

OperationDEEZ11 votes

Good luck hitting LB and Zed with your skillshots while they're spazzing around your fucking screen.

YossarianSensei1 votes

But I do

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