Can you nerf Vayne back into unviability please

Bronzoid·Dec 1, 2015·4 votes·860 views

She wasn't viable about 2 years ago and the game was so much better. Can we go back to that?

Please

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PennsDec 1, 20153 votes

Vayne is viable because tanks have 0 counterplay other than her c:

ShonjlDec 1, 20152 votes

item 3036 item 3033 like to say hello, also item 3153 still is a tank shredder, just more tame.

Tanks aren't invincible, never have been, people don't build against them and wonder why its so hard to kill them and lose for it. Even Garen for all the crying about him in the past for being godly tanky and hitting like a truck, is due to people not building LW against him. Or play an ADC that kicks their ass, Vayne and Ashe both destroy Garen. Vayne for being a tanker killer and Ashe perma slowing him so his Q is worthless and he has literally no way to escape or get on her.

Then again most people that play LoL are idiots that don't understand the concept that tanks are meant to be.....tanky.... You aren't going to 3 shot a tank which they are used to so cry about it, thats the point of a tank, it will take a long time to wittle them down or everyone focusing on them, which is them doing their job. Kill the people the tank is trying to defend and watch how he literally can't do anything.

You can't really listen to what people say when most refuse to budge from their normal build. They will just build pure damage and wonder why over half of it is negated from high armor and high health to soak the rest. Perfect example is look at any and every normal game around. People that lose lane horribly will still continue to build damage and be complete trash instead of being passive and build tanky.

dannykunDec 1, 20152 votes

The other idea that seems to escape players is that the ADC's job is literally to shred tanks and objectives. sure they can focus damage elsewhere, but they're objective is to deal the most damage, and if the only things in front of them (you know that front line there?) are tanks, yeah the ADC is gonna start auto attacking. It's almost as if that's how the teamfighting in our meta works or something...

ShonjlDec 2, 20152 votes

The point I was trying to make is if you see they have a tank on their team, moreso one that is capable of decent to high damage themselves, you should build accordingly. If I am ADC and I see a Garen on the enemy team, I am not going to build just pure crit/damage, I am going to sacrifice some damage for ARPEN or %hp damage to counter it.

Like I said before, its a matter of adapting to the situation, people don't like to so they cry when the tank that is taking crits for 300 when he has 5k hp is able to casually murder you as the ADC. Instead of actually trying to counter them a bit and watch that they risk dying when you ignore most of their armor and their only way to live is how much health they have.

I mean feel free to deny it or ignore it but everyone knows this is true. People hate to change what they always build/do so they will keep doing it and lose even harder and rather complain about something being broken or OP than look that they were the problem.

ShonjlDec 1, 20153 votes

I am legit confused. While in S5 she was indeed overbearing due to tank meta as well as all other adcs being crap. Now that like 5 more or good, she is trash.

Trist, Kalista, Cait, Graves and even Twitch all literally shit on her no matter how fed she is. I lost count of how many times I would see Twitch of all things be like 5/5 against a Vayne 1v1 when she is like 15/5 and kill her without dying or taking her with him. Bork was massively nerfed which was her key item, so now she has a crappy first item she HAS to buy while other ADCs get the new AD/crit items and proceed to spread her ass open.

Vayne is actually pretty tame and pitiful atm. Which I hope stays that way, she had her fun for an entire season, let other adcs shine for a while.

dannykunDec 1, 20152 votes

LOL you obviously don't know how the meta works. Vayne's strong when tanks are strong, she's weak to assassins and high burst mages like annie. So if you don't like that she's appeared in your games, play annie and walk up and murder her. Don't complain on the forums.

BronzoidDec 1, 20151 votes

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LOL you obviously don't know how the meta works. Vayne's strong when tanks are strong, she's weak to assassins and high burst mages like annie. So if you don't like that she's appeared in your games, play annie and walk up and murder her. Don't complain on the forums.

She buys Banshee and 2-shots me. Annie doesn't scale for shit and is a terrible champion.

dannykunDec 1, 20152 votes

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She buys Banshee and 2-shots me. Annie doesn't scale for shit and is a terrible champion.

uh huh... so you just don't know how to play or something? if she buys a banshee's she gets no damage from that, also popping a banshee's sounds like something a support would do for you. Annie has one of the absolute highest scalings in game for AP burst aside from like malz, and she's even got burning damage with tibbers. At this point I assume you just need to be taught how to properly counter a champion. if you go to the team recruitment page you can find people who would be willing to mentor you in how to play the game.

VasilisGreenDec 1, 20151 votes

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She buys Banshee and 2-shots me. Annie doesn't scale for shit and is a terrible champion.

Annie doesn't scale for shit.... I lived to see that day when someone would say that... Holly shit, what the hell are you smoking? 80% AP on Q, 85% AP on W and 80% AP on R with relatively low cooldowns... so, you have Q on 4 seconds cd. So, you can start with Q as you have 3 stacks to get the fourth, walk up to them, Stun with tibbers, W and throw another Q. At lvl18 with Luden's, Zhonya's, Rylai's, deathcap, Seraph's and void staff and your runes you have 867 AP. Q does 220+80% of that and W does 250+85% of that AP. Ult does 425 and 80%. So, the base values alone are 895 damage. Now, add the scaling and the luden's proc and you have 2252 damage. so, your total is 3147 damage almost instantly with 1 q, 1 w and the ult. So, what exactly is your point? If you start with a long range Q to ready your stun and walk up to them as they are slowed from the rylai's and then faceroll you get an additional 913 damage on them. And i didn't consider all the bonuses from the masteries. or the ignite.... If annie doesn't scale well into late game then who does??? Even LeBroken has lower scales on her basic abilities.... Annie is one of the highest scaling champions into late game. Do you even Annie bro?