So I main Fiora, I don't build her very tanky because I'm not that much of a... You know.
She's going to be nerfed soon, I really hope they don't remove the true damage as that defines her as the grand duelist, what could be nerfed that wouldn't completely destroy her?
If anyone knows anything about the upcoming need, information would be appreciated.
Also is it only tank Fiora that's a problem?
Weiner the Pooh3 votesTank Fiora is the problem, and i believe they're going to do to her what they did to Ekko and lower the base damages and increase the scalings, Tho tbh its partly her kit but also Tank items are so busted right now it allows her to build tanky. Its not just her tho, the same thing happens with Master Yi, and other heavy auto attackers, they go two damage items then tank, hell, even adcs like Quinn and Graves go the whole two damage/tank shit. So shes really not the problem, but because this dumb ass community has been bitching non stop about her %hp damage they'll probably switch it to magic or some gay shit, or as i fear they'll nerf her so that you have to build bruiser instead of the glass cannon that she should be played as.
Erockandroll2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Pumpkin Kinq,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ed5OVAMJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-06T06:10:51.150+0000)
Tank Fiora is the problem, and i believe they're going to do to her what they did to Ekko and lower the base damages and increase the scalings, Tho tbh its partly her kit but also Tank items are so busted right now it allows her to build tanky. Its not just her tho, the same thing happens with Master Yi, and other heavy auto attackers, they go two damage items then tank, hell, even adcs like Quinn and Graves go the whole two damage/tank shit. So shes really not the problem, but because this dumb ass community has been bitching non stop about her %hp damage they'll probably switch it to magic or some gay shit, or as i fear they'll nerf her so that you have to build bruiser instead of the glass cannon that she should be played as.
From what I heard from when the rework came out, they seemed pretty adamant that the true damage was the only way to balance a duelist around both Glass cannons, and Tanks. I Seriously doubt that will change.
I agree that She's too tanky, for a duelist. Though I wouldn't necessary call Duelists class cannons either. Aside from being good 1v1, they should be at their strongest when attacking. Which should make CC, her main weakness. (or kiting) yet she just won't die.
Aside from more focus on the scaling. (Cause I'm not sure that would be enough.) Nerf her scaling HP, perhaps even her Regen. Require her to attack vitals if she want's to sustain.
Weiner the Pooh1 votesFrom what I heard from when the rework came out, they seemed pretty adamant that the true damage was the only way to balance a duelist around both Glass cannons, and Tanks. I Seriously doubt that will change.
I agree that She's too tanky, for a duelist. Though I wouldn't necessary call Duelists class cannons either. Aside from being good 1v1, they should be at their strongest when attacking. Which should make CC, her main weakness. (or kiting) yet she just won't die.
Aside from more focus on the scaling. (Cause I'm not sure that would be enough.) Nerf her scaling HP, perhaps even her Regen. Require her to attack vitals if she want's to sustain.
Im not saying all duelists must be glass canons, Fiora however is supposed to be a glass canon.
ModWulf Helhammer3 votesAs The Pumpkin Kinq said, the best option would be to lower her base damage, and increase her scaling, which means if she wants to do a lot of damage, she needs to build it
Sohleks2 votesWhatever you do to her scalings and base dmg, she is not gonna change her build cause of that. Building melees like her brawny like that is best, will still be best, especially because of current itemization (the problem is in the items, ~ well also her free true damage)
Nobody is playing straight tank Fiora. The durable Fiora that is problematic is in fact getting AD from items. Glass cannon builds make use of other offensive multipliers like attack speed or crit which Fiora has no use of because of her excessive true damage late game.
Lower her base damage for a scaling buff every genius spouts here is really just an early game nerf. Which is okay.
But maybe she just simply need her true damage reduced particularly late game. This will increase her desire for actual damage items.
Currently Fiora is pretty much the strongest 1v1 and skirmishing champion after a certain point. She's doing it with an excessive amount of true damage. She's also most likely impossible to run from. I've seen a Fiora solo chase and kill a full hp swifties-alaclarity SINGED through his ult in the NA challenger series the other day. This singed had 3 hp items and one armor item. I've also heard stories of her chasing and killing an ulted Master Yi.
If it was me I'd make her slightly less sticky and just tap her true damage a flat amount.
ProfDrDeath1 votesGood points.
Personally, I'd like to see her passive's damage numbers go down (as you said), and see a few little tweaks to her abilities:
She's intended to use smart ability usage to outplay her enemies, but those two mechanics allow her to simply brute-force her way through duels, especially with other auto-attackers.
Kledy McKledFace1 votesit is because of the true dmgs...
Dreadlocks1 votesThe problem is they fucked up, and they admitted it. They couldn't think of a good way to make her a "grand duelist" so they just gave her literally a bit of EVERYTHING in her kit.
Weiner the Pooh2 votes[{quoted}](name=We Rektum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ed5OVAMJ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-02-06T06:18:17.390+0000)
The problem is they fucked up, and they admitted it. They couldn't think of a good way to make her a "grand duelist" so they just gave her literally a bit of EVERYTHING in her kit.
uh, they believe the kit rework is a success, they said they fucked up the visual portion.
Dreadlocks1 votesYeah, "we did a great job giving fiora literally every little thing you could ever want in a champion to make a well rounded duelist. She now has a dash, free crit, free slow, ms steroids, %maxhp TRUE damage, an ability to parrying literally everything but turret shots, which can also slow and stun targets, an aoe heal, attack speed steroid, can also lower enemy's attack speed,... "
Am i missing something? I think the only thing she doesn't have is free tank stats, grievous wounds, and tenacity, much wow.
Hayaishi21 votesHow does true damage defines her as "the grand duelist"?
Makes no fucking sense.
Weiner the Pooh2 votesHow does true damage defines her as "the grand duelist"?
Makes no fucking sense.
its because it enables her to fight squishies and tanks at the same rate.
