Does Veigar, Garen and Darius need execution indicators?

Asudurga··6 votes·2,236 views

Keep in mind this is my opinion.

Considering those champions have an ultimate that is specifically designed for executions, it would only make sense for there to be an indicator. I mean, if Chogath and Zed could have an indicator, why not? I believe it would add a sense of timing for those who are sick of seeing that one Teemo running away with 10 hp and spamming laugh.

I have a few suggestions on how they should be applied. If a Riot member could read this and give his/her personal thoughts that would be lovely.

Garen - A circle of spinning swords around the enemy, sort of like Garen's W animation.

Darius - This one is a bit odd to think up due to his passive already having an indicator of "Oh god I'm dead", but I think it would make for sense for the Noxian Might indicator on the opponent to be smaller, but have an extra emblem on it if the enemy can be dunked. Like two axe-heads on the sides? For Dunkmaster, I have no clue, any opinions?

Veigar - An icon above the enemy's head showing Veigar's glowing yellow eyes, something simple. For Final Boss Veigar, an icon stating "GAME OVER".

19 Comments

LostFr0st3 votes

Cho and Zed have an indicator since it's core to their kit. In Cho's case it's his passive and in Zed's case it's to communicate to both Zed and the target if they are dead. Garen, Veigar and Darius ults are not core to their kits, especially in Darius' case since he gets a reset reward for killing the target.

L Psy Kongroo2 votes

Garen actually does get one, but only against the target he has marked as the villain. A sound effect plays and the villain icon above the target's head lights up.

AChanceOfReign2 votes

I love how people are saying that Veigar's Ult isn't even an exe. But it will be, so yes to Veigar.

MigYalle1 votes

~Cho'Gaths indicator for death really means that if you use your execution at that exact moment the enemy champion would die. So yes he could use it, he's supposed to be an easier champion.

In regards of Zed, his indicator is only shown after he's applied enough damage on his Death Mark. This is both a good and bad thing for the Zed. ~The good thing for Zed is that he knows he applied enough damage to kill, so he could try to leave and let the Death Mark finish the enemy off. However, it could give him a false sense of security and the allied saved by someone else before the Death Mark goes off, It's not something like Cho'Gaths that guarantee's a kill if used properly.

~Garen does have a execution indicator but only on his "Villain". I'm totally fine with this, his extremely simplistic kit works very well this way, adding a indicator regularly could possibly make him just slightly too easy, The problem with this is that Garen is supposed to use his ult when he thinks it will execute, If he's given an indicator, his ult could never possibly miss or be used too early, leaving little room to counter play unless you use a heal/shield right before he uses his ult.

~When it comes to Darius, I think a indicator for his ult could be too strong because once his axe comes down, you have very little time to react to it, ontop of it there is already a 5 blood stack indicator with the addition of his passive granting him 5 blood stacks on enemies after the first, This could lead to instant dunks on multiple targets that would normally leave Darius wondering if it would kill, A resettable execution in my opinion should not have an Indicator.

~Veigars ultimate technically isn't an execution, it's just a huge damage ability, I've had times where it was late game, and it would ONLY take the press of R to kill the enemy ADC or Midlaner, Then it would show a permanent indicator for them, this would remove forms of counter-play besides (Don't get close to him) because it leaves out the calculation of the base damage + your AP, + 80% of the enemy AP that you'd normally need to do on your own. So keep in mind, His ultimate is meant to be a high damage ability, not execution, his execution is his Q.

IM NOT SHUTTING DOWN YOUR IDEA, I LIKE IT, BUT NOT FOR THESE CHAMPIONS IN SPECIFIC

lightdragoon881 votes

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~Veigars ultimate technically isn't an execution, it's just a huge damage ability, I've had times where it was late game, and it would ONLY take the press of R to kill the enemy ADC or Midlaner, Then it would show a permanent indicator for them, this would remove forms of counter-play besides (Don't get close to him) because it leaves out the calculation of the base damage + your AP, + 80% of the enemy AP that you'd normally need to do on your own. So keep in mind, His ultimate is meant to be a high damage ability, not execution, his execution is his Q.

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Veigar ult on PBE: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5PAhzt1FyaQ/Vxa7S99-mwI/AAAAAAAA5_I/RnW7U0nDhr8fh62Dwwxeoq4GwhDtNVbbQCLcB/s640/veigr.jpg

MigYalle2 votes

An icon above the enemy's head showing Veigar's glowing yellow eyes, something simple. For Final Boss Veigar, an icon stating "GAME OVER".

This guy didn't name a single thing about PBE, I was talking about the current Veigar. If he specified that he's talking about the PBE the post I made would be entirely different wouldn't it?

lightdragoon882 votes

I do admit that he should of specify the PBE update in his opening post.

Omega T33mo1 votes

Omg i need game over

Spanked eGirl1 votes

Garen has one, Veigar does not need one, Darius could possibly use one, but he already has max stack indicator that will let him get maximum ult damage in on a target

xdeviltwinkiex1 votes

I somewhat agree with Darius having one due to my experience with people dunking the enemy at 3/4 of their health and no stacks but that's just because people are stupid. I have never seen a veigar ult and not kill someone and I hate to lane against a veigar so for me no garen is already brain dead easy and has an indicator on the villain.

Ralanr1 votes

Darius kinda has one, it's only after he has full stacks (target is pretty much gonna die though).

The Deckowner1 votes

Darius and Garen can both do 1k+ true dmg with their ult, with how easy it is to use their kit, calculating how much dmg will be dealt should be a concept which require the player to learn instead of just given away.

Veigar's ult isn't even a execute, it is simply a high burst of dmg.

Asudurga1 votes

Veig's ult will soon be turned into an execute.

The Deckowner1 votes

we probably need to experiment how well veigar's new kit works before we determine if a execute indicator is needed

Asudurga1 votes

Lol, it appears the downvote brigade is here. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Meep Man1 votes

Garen's already has one. Darius' probably needs one since it's really annoying to kind of have to do split second calculations in your head to know if you will get the reset or not. Not sure if Veigar's needs one since it doesn't have to be used to execute really.

C9 Scott Free 1 votes

Nope to veigar because he's already gonna get free AP for landing stuff. No need to let him not even think about whether or not he has to kill me.

DarkLarvitar1 votes

i would rather have an enemy try and fail 95% then have him win 100% of the time, i would rather lose to skill then just someones thing over my head saying ult and he dies

LadyRenly1 votes

no, it adds to the skillcap. giving them indicators just makes them binary and one dimensional

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