Riot, do you have an answer for soloq players yet?

Gene Freakz··55 votes·2,366 views

In the round table video, Lobster said the following about the current Dynamic Queue Ranked System: "We want soloq players to have an equal chance of winning all their games, and we haven't been there yet with Dynamic Ranked." "We kind of shit on 'Hey, I'm a soloq player and that's how I express'". Those are direct quotes and not taken out of context. He then went on to say that they don't have an answer as of yet to remedying this problem. I don't even know why I'm posting this. There is no way a Red will even respond and this is part of the issue. Passionate players are ignored and disregarded even when they post constructively. Any Red looking through the boards probably saw the title and let out a big NOPE!

Here is what has happened to soloq players so far: They had their primary ranked system taken away and changed, they were continually told that their old system would come back, there was a long period of radio silence until finally they were told the system would not come back, their queries during this time were completely ignored (both constructive and nonconstructive) leaving them to theorize and speculate, they are used as guinea pigs to fill the needs of premades, they have an unfair disadvantage as Lobster pointed out, they don't have as much power anymore in terms of leading a game and even forfeiting, and they are assessed in the exact same way in the exact same ranking system as premades. I'm sure there are many more that I have left out.

The way solo players have been treated has been awful when you look at everything Riot has done this season. In the realm of premade players and soloq players, the solo players have gotten the short end of the stick with this new system. Premade players have gotten what they wanted. Maybe not everything, but ultimately they are able to play with friends in ranked. What have solo players gotten out of this new system that they wanted besides maybe new champ select which is something completely different?

If my fellow soloq brethren will let me speak on behalf of them let me say this: We may have acted poorly in some circumstances in which we chose to be spiteful and spoke of Riot as a terrible entity. This wasn't necessarily the right move and we're sorry, but it was something we did because we feel very passionate about the game and we felt powerless. While downvotes may be viewed as a negative (seriously sorry about all those "Tyler1 has now been officially banned" downvotes), they are a way in which we can express how we feel about something.

Because of what has happened, soloq players are now very skeptical and hesitant. Let's remedy this by being open Riot. You keep saying this over and over and over and over and over...............and over again, but you fail to do so. People will always take your information the wrong way and there will be people who will possibly downvote the hell out of you. In addition, some people will post negative, hateful comments. That is life. Welcome to the internet. Ignore the haters and focus on the part of the community that actually gives a damn.

I want the soloq experience to be better and I definitely think it can be. Please let us know that you still care about this large part of your player base that has been treated very poorly this entire season. Even something as small as "We are working on improving the soloq experience" in the next patch notes will suffice.

Note to the community: I can't stop you guys from posting what you want and I shouldn't be able to - it's a necessary freedom you have. But please be constructive and let Riot see that we are passionate about the game and the soloq experience without a hateful, spiteful rhetoric.

52 Comments

ofart16 votes

Even if SQ players had equal winrates, it would still be BS and meaningless. First of all, an equal winrate doesn't mean balanced games. They can just be stomps where an individual player feels no control. Secondly, the rankings would still be pointless due to having very different experiences and skills averaged out into a single ranking. Someone only playing with premades can have the same ranking as a solo player despite each representing different skillsets.

Gene Freakz1 votes

I agree. I think that blending tier groups and large mmr differences only makes things messier. It is not so simple an equation that it is easily balanced. 100% of games will never be balanced, but the best way seems to be giving everybody a fair chance by matching solo players with other solo players of similar mmr. At current, it seems that Riot is not as concerned with balanced matches as other issues.

lolptwo14 votes

Honestly, great post but you are wasting your time on something that does not give a fuck about you. Riot doesn't care about Solo Q players. When people treat us so fucking badly, I just get up and move onto another game, even if I literally played League nearly every single day for year on end.

Dominick Destine6 votes

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Honestly, great post but you are wasting your time on something that does not give a fuck about you. Riot doesn't care about Solo Q players. When people treat us so fucking badly, I just get up and move onto another game, even if I literally played League nearly every single day for year on end.

This.

I would have left for Overwatch if I had the means to purchase it in my country. Riot has betrayed me so many times and with zero signs of things changing, I have no loyalty left towards them.

Karn Bishop11 votes

Patch 6.13 solo queue buffs:

Hey guys we have heard your concerns and are buffing solo queue players by increasing the chest and key drop rates of premades and reducing your % chance drops even further to make up for it, additionally we shall give 40% of your earned lp and IP to the premade team you are queued with.

We believe this shall solve the problem of solo queue players existing and push more towards our vision of a no skill non competitive game.

Jorencice2 votes

Talk to me about no skill game when you hit master tier.

Nameless Voice5 votes

Just on your last point: To be honest, I'm losing motivation to even post meaningful threads here any more.

Riot never respond to them, and even the players don't usually read them.

I spent a long time writing a long thread a while back where I made what I thought was a very reasonable rundown of the current problems with ranked and dynamic queue, and offered some proposals that might improve the situations for players (especially solo players.) It got two replies and a handful of upvotes, and was otherwise completely ignored.

Meanwhile, around the same time there were threads outright insulting Riot in harsh terms, getting hundreds of replies and upvotes and being glued to the top of the "hot topics" page.

Trying to post reasoned discussion here just feels pointless.

Just like in the game itself, most people are only interested in assigning blame and insulting others, rather than trying to actually solve problems.

MuyAstuto2 votes

They are obviously going to try and make DQ work for the entire season. If you can't see that by now, then you are too stupid to explain anything to.

Gene Freakz2 votes

Ad hominem, nice tactic. Yeah soloq will not come back this season and may never come back. I think that DQ can be much better for next season, though, in terms of measuring solos and premades differently while still having them play together.

Dextix LT2 votes

No, it really cant. It will probably be better.

But a better turd is still a turd.

There is no way to make premades and solo players equal. The only way ranked integrity can remain is soloq, a pure one.

No matter how much they "fix" dynamic (If they even do it, because they dont fix shit often) it will still remain a bad system because it operates on a false basis.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

I believe Riot isn't saying anything because they don't have anything finished yet. The last time they said something to early, t backfired on them heavily: announcing that Solo Queue would be coming, something that turned out to not be feasible

Gene Freakz1 votes

That is a good point. They said they didn't have an answer and maybe they still don't. I just want to be assured that it is of a high priority for them to improve the soloq experience whether or not they have an answer.

The Real Mugatu1 votes

On the post Riot made on June 1st, they said "we've made the decision to not bring back solo queue" but they will also "be adjusting pre made handicaps further to even the playing field between premades and [solo players]."

I think they did a good job at least answering people questions: whether or not people are satisfied.

KnKitsune3 votes

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On the post Riot made on June 1st, they said "we've made the decision to not bring back solo queue" but they will also "be adjusting pre made handicaps further to even the playing field between premades and [solo players]."

I think they did a good job at least answering people questions: whether or not people are satisfied.

Don't release something thats only 25% finished.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

Except there is only so much that you can test in a closed loop.

Blanchimont3 votes

That's what the PBE is for. Even then, it already had problems.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

PBE isnt nearly as big as you think, nor do people take Ranked seriously on PBE servers. It wouldn't have had any accurate readings.

Blanchimont1 votes

Then they need to expand the PBE into real test servers to actually address these issues before implementing them on live. That's the whole point of using it.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

Actually no, PBE is meant to catch huge game breaking bugs, so they don't make it to Live and ruin the game for all the players. Sure, the PBE is used to balance content, like new Champs or reworks, but the main point of it is to catch game crashing errors.

Leetri1 votes

I mean, to fully test something big as matchmaking changes you NEED to put it on a server that has as many people as possible. And as it turns out, the live servers are the only servers available to give accurate results. Even when literally everyone could easily make a PBE account and play at any time there weren't that many players.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

As a solo player, Dynamic is fine. It lets other people play together and I'm not a selfish asshole so if other people are having fun with this new system I say let them.

The main issue with the system is the boosting. Not the "my friend is helping me climb" thing, that's the whole point. I mean the increase in transaction boosting. This may be the result of the new champ select (I can always get the role I carry from, and time spent isn't the issue just not losing).

Karn Bishop7 votes

In my book "my friends are helping me climb" is boosting per the definition of boosting which is getting help to get your account to a skill level at which you yourself cannot play and do not understand the mechanics of.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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In my book "my friends are helping me climb" is boosting per the definition of boosting which is getting help to get your account to a skill level at which you yourself cannot play and do not understand the mechanics of.

Part of the attraction of DQ is that you can bring new friends into the game easier. If your friend is leveling an account to 30 while you help him and then you get him through his promos and help him get into gold where you are so you guys can actually play together, that's not boosting. That's DQ working as intended.

Leon Etoile8 votes

That's the problem the player isn't Gold and that person ruins the competitive integrity of the whole match. Everything you just explained is and a part of ranked teams that they removed.

franticFurball5 votes

So DQ "working as intended" means "ranks are meaningless"?

Then sorry to tell you that, but if that's working as intended, then the system sucks.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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So DQ "working as intended" means "ranks are meaningless"?

Then sorry to tell you that, but if that's working as intended, then the system sucks.

Ranks show teamwork, that is more relevant than individual skill.

franticFurball4 votes

No, they don't.

Ranks are an INDIVIDUAL STAT, they are calculated, and depicted PER PLAYER, not PER TEAM.

In the old system, people had SEPARATE RANKS for their TEAMS. You could be, say, Plat on soloQ and Diamond on 5v5.

DQ lets people gain ranks as a result of teaming up, but the rank is meaningless as its displayed as an individual rating. So it doesn't show that someone played well, or that his team played well...because, wheter that guy got Diamond I because hes a really good solo, or because his team he always played with is really good, or because he paid 4 Diamonds to boost his Bronze-Account, is irrelevant, the result (the individual rank) is the same.

Sorry to be the one to prove that to you, but DynQ has made the ranking system pointless

The Yetii Rider1 votes

You haven't proven anything. The effort put forth by solo players is now properly equally measured against coordination and communication put forth by teams. They are all valuable traits to have in League, and the old system had too much of a barrier for entry to team players.

Now solo players feel they aren't being recognized. But they're behind recognized the same as team players. One ladder, one rank. Whether you climb by individual skill or teamwork, you still earn your rank.

franticFurball3 votes

The effort put forth by solo players is now properly equally measured against coordination and communication put forth by teams.

There is nothing proper about Dynamic Garbage and its useless pseudo ranks.

It gives the same rankings for team actions and solo play, which is beyond illogical.

Spare me a repeat of the same answer, I have already won. good bye :D

NightmareAmazoX1 votes

Wow agreed. [zombie-brand-clap]

Summonerrr 11 votes

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Part of the attraction of DQ is that you can bring new friends into the game easier. If your friend is leveling an account to 30 while you help him and then you get him through his promos and help him get into gold where you are so you guys can actually play together, that's not boosting. That's DQ working as intended.

In that case, working as intended could be improved by simply making the new player experience better, and not shafting other players involved by using DQ as a band-aid.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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In that case, working as intended could be improved by simply making the new player experience better, and not shafting other players involved by using DQ as a band-aid.

First of all, DQ DOES make the new player experience better.

Secondly, with all the account buying and botting, the new player experience is horrid unless you're playing with friends. That's not something Riot can do anything about.

franticFurball1 votes

First of all, DQ DOES make the new player experience better.

Really? According to what statistic?

According to what measurable metric?

Because "Because I say so" is neither.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

I don't need a statistic to say that playing games with people you know is more fun than playing games with total strangers. That's basic human instinct. Bonding, friendship, attachment, it's just common sense.

franticFurball1 votes

Absolutely.

Whats not common sense however, is forcing people to either "play with friends" or pseudo-bond with complete strangers over the internet in order to not have a massive disadvantage in a video game.

Because I am 30 years old, my friends mostly don't play league any more, or have different schedules in their lifes, so we can't play together.

So, what can I do now, in a game that includes Dynamic Garbage?

Try to find a bunch of immature strangers on the internet to play with, because otherwise I have a massive disadvantage? What exactly does that have to do with basic human instinct?

Oh yes:

#NOTHING!

Good bye.

Gene Freakz2 votes

What about having other people play together in normals, though? Maybe add an element of ranked into normals and have that be dq. Like have team badge icons people can earn or something that incentivizes people to play well as a team.

franticFurball2 votes

The main issue with the system is the boosting. Not the "my friend is helping me climb" thing, that's the whole point.

Other than that its not paid for, how is that any different from boosting?

Oh wait...IT ISN'T :D

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Other than that its not paid for, how is that any different from boosting?

Oh wait...IT ISN'T :D

The problem isn't the integrity of the ranked system. At least, not for Riot. The problem is when people exploit the game to make money and it hurts other players.

If you pay for a boost, then when you play again you're in a game where you have no experience and get completely destroyed.

If you play with a friend, you ARE earning your rank. Getting carried is absolutely different from having someone else log in on your account and play for you, what, are you stupid?

So you may not be as individually skilled as others at your rank. You still know what to expect. You still know the meta, you still can cooperate and play somewhat better than you did when you were a lower rank. You gain experience as a player by getting carried.

franticFurball1 votes

If you play with a friend, you ARE earning your rank. Getting carried is absolutely different from having someone else log in on your account and play for you, what, are you stupid?

When a Bronze player is teaming up with 4 Diamond players (who made new accounts, which is quickly done now), he is getting boosted as well.

Oh and, read this: Universal Board Rules

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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When a Bronze player is teaming up with 4 Diamond players (who made new accounts, which is quickly done now), he is getting boosted as well.

Oh and, read this: Universal Board Rules

He's not getting boosted. He's learning how to play better by having his mistakes pointed out to him by better players.

franticFurball2 votes

Yeah, you can tell yourself that as long as you want.

Its boosting, and the community agrees with me, so, you know, write what you want :D

Lirik1 votes

sorry OP i am not passionate about this game anymore, riot killed my passion for this game and killed the interest that i could have for any other riot games published in any futhur cases. (they fuck me, then fuck them)

Jorencice3 votes

Lol. So edgy.

You must only play unmmmmm....

Witcher games because cd project red are literally the only developers I can think of that are perfect.

Hmm maybe CCP from eve online.

But nah let's just quit an developer forever because they screwed up.

That will teach the to try to innovate.

Lirik1 votes

another delusional community member, hahaha you are actualy the edgy one here assuming stuff i like or not and make assumption of how i need perfect stuff or not, edgy peoples like you making assumptions of other peoples on internet in 2016 so FREAKING edgy LOL.

Jorencice2 votes

Lol. You said. (I don't play games from developers that screw me over)

That's LITERALLY 98% of game developers.

So unless your a hypocrite. I wasn't assuming anything.

Lirik1 votes

lol keep being edgy dude, LITERALLY 98% of game developers "LITERALLY" yeah ! show of thoses LITERRAL FACTS AND NUMERS, you seems to know pretty much everything that could be known in this world comon edgy boi share your divine knowledge with us LOL.

Jorencice2 votes

So just a hypocrite... got it

Lirik1 votes

youy didn't have anymore lies in stock so you have to throw cards like "hypocrite" lol i feel pitty for you.

NightmareAmazoX1 votes

Hey check out Naughty Dogs. They are good developers as well.

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