I believe thunderlords is overrated

e46 Fanatic··3 votes·287 views

Also I feel like people underestimate stormraider and cotc, for example i see a lot of wu kong's go thunder when they could engage with ult and ofc they're gonna be the first to take damage. Same as kennen, people have joked about that but it swaps out the dumb zhonyas combo people use... no need for that when youre stunning everyone around you and could have cotc

Like, I like to run

-draven stormraider -graves stormraider -ken cotc -vayne thunder is totally understanable but id imagine storm raider kicks in right after the w hits them, op. (not to mention the +6 lethality rune is just about equal to the 7% armor pen, if not better for early game)

little example of kennen lul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4RcpXfBOfU

thats also why its dumb to ever go ad kennen

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DoktorKaiser5 votes

I believe that all masteries are pretty much good right now with every single one having its use. Aaaaaand they are scraping them completely for some new shit that will break the game so fucking hard. Of course they do that just when they managed to make keystones perfect... Typical RITO...

e46 Fanatic2 votes

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I believe that all masteries are pretty much good right now with every single one having its use. Aaaaaand they are scraping them completely for some new shit that will break the game so fucking hard. Of course they do that just when they managed to make keystones perfect... Typical RITO...

yeah man i agree, I actually hardly know anything about it but that pixie thing seems horrible, should be kept to lulu only.. they'll almost have to rework her it seems like, wonder how that would look with 2 pixies

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Well if we assume the current masteries are a prototype, then the new system will be even better at what the masteries did right. Yeah it's going to fuck up game balance, but that's OK imo. It's a two steps forward, one backward, kind of thing.

Starcraft243ver2 votes

If you do not have a lot of hp cotc gives a ridiculous shield.

paisy2 votes

TL is for early pressure

Automated Riven2 votes

Back before they nerfed cotc I used to run it on lissandra mid. It was epic.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

In my opinion, it's not that I overrate thunderlords but that I don't have a better option.

E.g. I predominantly play J4 top. CotC is pretty garbage early - if I land E-Q I'll get a small shield that denies some of their trade back, which probably just means they'll run straight back instead of trying to trade back. Then CotC has a 45-30 second cooldown versus 25-15seconds for TLD, so when my E-Q is back up my mastery isn't. That's all assuming I want to engage with E-Q - most of the time I don't. E is on a relatively long cooldown (13 seconds at rank 1) and E-Q is my only escape. Q is only a 10/9/8/7/6 cooldown and is maxed first, so it's on a short cooldown and can be used to harass while not being lost for escape, so my typical trade is to let them come up to CS and use a passive enhanced AA, Q, AA for a TLD proc, taking a single AA in retaliation. I agree that CotC is much stronger late game, but in early lane TLD J4 is a massive bully against almost all matchups while CotC J4 is bullied by almost all matchups. TLD isn't exactly good for J4 though, it benefits most other champions a lot more. It's just something he can still make good use out of, while most other masteries don't help him early.

Also, I think the Cunning tree offers the best earlier choices as well. I want the extra CDR early and to break the cap late. Dangerous Game and Merciless are often the difference between dying for free to a risky gank and turning it in to a double kill for yourself.

Second example is I play Ahri Mid. Again, TLD isn't really good on her. She can get off the 3-hit proc, but it's not exactly easy. She either has to land charm (in which case the extra damage is nice for an all-in) or needs both sides of her Q plus an AA. Either case she's extending a bit extra in order to get the proc, opening herself up to more damage than necessary. She isn't really a great TLD user but nothing else works for her at all.

I honestly don't like TLD on most of my champions and yet run it often. It works well on Quinn (AA, E, AA) and I like it on her, but after how easy it is to proc it on her it feels a lot worse on everyone else. However those other champions still run it because there's nothing better for them. I hope TLD exists in the new system, but better options for these champions exist as well so Riot can see that TLD is popular not because people like it but because it's a catch-all when everything else is useless.

Salron1 votes

thats also why its dumb to ever go ad kennen

Shit I guess all the pros are wrong and you're right? lol

What exactly did CotC do for you in that clip where the enemies didn't even scratch you Do you consider that effective use of it?

e46 Fanatic1 votes

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Shit I guess all the pros are wrong and you're right? lol

What exactly did CotC do for you in that clip where the enemies didn't even scratch you Do you consider that effective use of it?

I was just comparing it to zhonyas and how you could swap that out for another item. Kennen as an easy stun and is useful without the ult while team fighting. Cotc late game is more useful late game than almost any other mastery. Ad kennen is cool but that's not really being a team player if you ask me, I can't count how many solo triples and quads I've gotten just by my ult + w. That's not something you can do with ad kennen. Pros are meta followers man, that's why I don't pay attention to pro play. I honestly sighed when you mentioned pros, I have more gametime than plenty of them and wouldnt just bs about it. I'm not talking outa my butt, just tired of people relying on a guide out there just because some pro makes it work.

Salron1 votes

Yes, because AD Kennen serves a completely different niche, and plays like a different champion, but make no mistake, it is his current build for good reason, and is getting nerfed soon too because it's too strong

e46 Fanatic1 votes

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Yes, because AD Kennen serves a completely different niche, and plays like a different champion, but make no mistake, it is his current build for good reason, and is getting nerfed soon too because it's too strong

What do you mean by 'ad kennen is getting nerfed'? lol. Only thing I could imagine is that they would change how you can use ruunan's to stack w.

Somnitsu1 votes

thunderlords is good for different burst mages

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