Viktor has AD scaling on his Q -- is that a challenge? (Mixed/ADC Viktor? Any viability?)

Onwodori··3 votes·1,639 views

Hey there, Onwodori here.

So before anyone gets bent out of shape, I am asking about Viktor's 100% AD scaling on his empowered auto attack Q. I'm not condoning or suggesting you take him as an ADC - it's more of a curiosity at why that value is there.

Lets suppose for a moment I did want to take Viktor as some sort of utility ADC, much like Kennen ADC.

Strengths:

Has good chunking with his Q Deals mixed damage as an ADC Can peel for himself Large AOE stun and slow + Knock Up potentially Will do good magic damage regardless due to Hextech Core Good base damage on abilities Interupt with Ultimate Kites well with speed up on Q Building mana gives you a bigger shield on Q as well

Weaknesses:

*Can only have 5 ADC related items due to hextech core - cannot build traditional ADC style Only scales AD with his Q 525 auto attack range is really difficult (Though, the aforementioned Kennen ADC has 550) No dash or blink mobility, just MS and slows

So that's all well and good. His Q boops people really good like, and your build might look something like this?

item 3198 item 3004 item 3078 item 3020 item 3087 item 3046

Again this is more of a hybrid build because the majority of your damage is magic and you'll still end up with at least 180 AP from your core. Shiv and phantom dancer are to help you kit away and get some of that sweet crit damage which you'll probably want and need.

Let me know why this is a terrible idea or why it isn't *too terrible.

Thanks,

-Onwodori

7 Comments

I am Pacman6 votes

The 100% ad ratio there because his q is an empowered aa. This ratio doesnt make his q aa deal any more physical damage than his normal aa. All it does is include his aa damage in his q spell.

Onwodori1 votes

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The 100% ad ratio there because his q is an empowered aa. This ratio doesnt make his q aa deal any more physical damage than his normal aa. All it does is include his aa damage in his q spell.

I realized this just now as well. But, turning all your AD into magic damage makes you very hard to build defenses against, at least. It definitely diminishes the value I originally saw, however

MLDzXnRRR2 votes

Check the patch notes, you could play him like an ADC, but it was fixed after his rework.

Onwodori1 votes

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Check the patch notes, you could play him like an ADC, but it was fixed after his rework.

I mean, I might still :3

The Anagram King2 votes

Oh, totally. I do it all the time. Often in a support position or adc position (but this is just cos' I like tactical manoeuvres and derive pleasure from as such!!)

I can't recall my masteries, but I use thunderlords for the aa/q/aa or q/aa/laser combo. I have scaling 20% cdr runes, some mregen, a little bit of armour and a little bit of armpen/magpen. Not much inherent defense, but I've got good reflexes and am often pretty confident (sometimes too confident) that I can shield or dodge most've what comes my way.

Okay, the meat:

I start with a item 1027 and, depending on whether or not I expect to take any real poke, some potions. Max Q; first back is always sheenitem 3057 . After a few levels, you'll be outpoking ADCs as long as you make sure to keep distance between q CDs. EXCELLENT for denying exp.

Second item is tearitem 3070. Very fun. You'll start seeing your shield become really useful by this point. It'll also be nearing perma-status.

Third, I grab catalyst item 3010. The sustain is instantly noticeable. However, if you are behind, the lack of damage starts to become noticeable as well. You're no longer getting shorter and shorter Q timers, which means your sheen is at peak capacity. From here on out, the build's pretty simple.

item 3027 >item 3197 > item 3078 > item 3004 > item 3003 > item 3116/item 3089

  • E will clear minion waves around about the time you buy Rod of Ages if you max your death ray second.
  • Rylais makes kiting a buhREEZE, but a rabadon will have you hitting anywhere between 800-1100 AP (depending on buffs/runes/potions).
  • Muramana will be netting about 200-250 bonus damage, come maximum mana. This will make your AD output (non-empowered Qs) somewhere around the 550s.
  • Your shields will be something akin to 500 pts if you go the Rabadon route. This, every 2.4 seconds. I regularly eat Udyrs. It's very satisfying.
  • You utterly decimate turrets as you near late game. I've 3 hit Nexus turrets in the past, from full health. The attack speed makes it seem even more absurd.
  • With Rod of Ages and a low-cooldown shield, map objectives become childs play very early. I ALWAYS make the personal goal to collect all 5 dragons. But, then again, I'm ALWAYS bot. :P
  • Tears are SLOW to stack. If you get Ocean Drake early, begin spamming. You do NOT want to buy archangel's staff before completing your muramana - for some reason, the staff takes precedence, and will ALWAYS evolve, first. This cuts into your ad potential dramatically.
  • Be wary that there are periods of weakness in this build path. You'll quite strong early, but quite vulnerable. With Rod of Ages, you'll kind've get a massive sliding into place power spike. You'll feel invincible. This will also fade, as the enemy team catches up. But when you hit full build - when you are the best of both AD AND AP? Watch out. You are a monster. EVERYTHING you do kills everyone. If you're far enough ahead, you can even solo baron. Which is kind've okay. More than not, its disappointing that you can't just do it any time you like.

So yeah - Hybrid Viktor is fun. It's my favourite build. It has its problems, though. Long-range AP champs will ruin your day if they're competent at aiming stuff. It's much safer to head top or bot, where you can minimise your chances of being AP bursted. This build, after all, banks its early game on trading in order to come out superior.


Additional Note: It's easier to just go AP mid. SO much easier. This hybrid build is pretty high risk, late (though, admittedly, somewhat inevitable) reward. But AP mid isn't half as fun as this build, as far as I'm concerned. It also wrecks other Viktors, which is delicious!

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MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

its an AA reset so it obviously has the ad from the auto on it. just live every other empowered aa

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