Just going to say this once: the uproar over Rift Scuttler is bullshit.

Sir Poodle·5/24/2018, 7:21:39 PM·15 votes·1,300 views

Title. If you actually look at how much gold and XP Scuttle now provides, it's about the same as a regular camp, scaling up. During the first few levels,~~ it's worth less than a regular camp~~. (EDIT: It's just straightforward the same, sorry!)The only big differences are:

  • it gives a spot of vision
  • it restores health and mana instead of "draining" it.
  • it's equally accessible to both teams (and therefore potentially creates conflict which one team could capitalize on but is also unreliably available)
  • It takes a touch longer to clear

Raising the respawn timer, (the followup) is perfectly reasonable. They don't really need to do more. It wasn't OP, or just "whoever takes it wins," it was just a bit too frequent for a mini-objective.

Now it's an actual camp instead of "honeyfruit that takes longer to use."

True, duelist jungles got a boost, but to say that they're the only choices or some such is massively disingenuous. Scuttle isn't really worth contesting in any way until after it's respawned for the first time at least, and you can still probably ignore it until the second or third respawn. Assuming both junglers are fervent scuttle clearers, first respawn is about 5 minutes in (after level 2, you'll note) and second is 7-8 minutes in.

Fair warning, I probably won't be responding in the comments.

EDIT: I had extra time and did respond a little.

10 Comments

dunder kill5/24/2018, 7:51:56 PM6 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Sir+Poodle

Yeah because a support main played 5 games of Jungle, played ONLY Graves and WW, fed hard as fuck every single game, and only won 20% of them is more qualified to discuss the jungle than every jungle main and pro jungler. You obviously have zero understanding of the jungle seeing how you fed hard as fuck on a braindead Jungler like WW, but you know better than us. Never mind that whoever gets scuttle gets level 3 a minute before the enemy that doesnt. Never mind that the 2 extra camps you have to clear to make up for scuttle actually fight back and drain both your health AND mana instead of having them both restored. Nevermind that level 3 Jungler now gets to walk into you Jungle at full HP as you're struggling not to die. Nevermind that lane priority now decides your viability in a match now.

But hey, take it from a support main that has a 20% WR in Jungle in Norms. You even got hard carried that single win xD

Pika Fox5/24/2018, 7:22:52 PM4 votes

Ayyyy someone who gets it finally.

koshkyra5/24/2018, 7:39:01 PM2 votes

I just hate that it gives you like half your mana back if you're low enough

KZ Engel5/25/2018, 12:09:47 AM1 votes

intelligent pathing thrown to the bin in favor of a pair of gorillas fighting over a crab at 2:30

that is why junglers don't like it