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A reply to Ekko = Aatrox'd (not)

Alytrox··38 votes·2,978 views

Case 1).

Aatrox does dmg while building tanky, with 0 utility for the team.

Patch notes v3.13 quote: "Any champion can be frustrating to play against when they’re capable of building very tanky while still outputting considerable DPS, so we're lowering some of Aatrox’s innate damage. With this change, Aatrox must build items for damage and won’t be able to simultaneously tank and smash face as easily."

Nerf passive. Nerf base dmg. 0 compensations buffs elsewhere.

Reduce the champion to being relevant ONLY when snowballing.

Case 2).

Ekko does dmg while building tanky, with stupid amount of utility for the team.

Nerf base dmg. Buff every fucking AP ratio. Compensation buffs everyfuckingwhere.

Doesn't matter the nerfs you'll give to him, no matter how behind he will be, he is going to bring shittons of utility for the team. Stuns, slows, diving potential.

Where is the consistency, Riot ?

42 Comments

Penns22 votes

By that Aatrox patch note logic, pretty much every tank or juggernaut should get nerfed too lel

YumaS2Astral15 votes

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By that Aatrox patch note logic, pretty much every tank or juggernaut should get nerfed too lel

Riot sometimes put patch notes that do not make any sense. For example, they nerfed Veteran's Scars because they said it would make it more attractive for ADCs. However, ADCs do not put points on the Resolve tree. Even if an ADC were to use the Resolve tree they would probably use Runic Armor for the higher healing with potions early game, as well as increased lifesteal. Riot didn't wanted to admit that the real reason why they were nerfing Veteran's Scars was due to the tanks.

Shenmue5 votes

sometimes !!!??? more like every damn times since season 4

BornAgainVirgin1 votes

Yep, I dont bother reading those troll reasons anymore lol. It's like they are just writing "funny" stuff that is not actually funny instead of something honest or at least worth reading. The amount of people that read these comical reasons and actually believe it is pretty sad though.

Auryiel2 votes

To be fair, the resolve tree was OP as fuck and they did also say on the boards that they wanted to remove one of the multiplicators for late game tanks. THAT'S why they nerfed it. They then said ''Well it also gives something for squishies who want to go 12 points into resolve''.

YumaS2Astral3 votes

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To be fair, the resolve tree was OP as fuck and they did also say on the boards that they wanted to remove one of the multiplicators for late game tanks. THAT'S why they nerfed it. They then said ''Well it also gives something for squishies who want to go 12 points into resolve''.

However, nobody nowadays pick it, not even squishies, not even tanks.

Even tank champions who lack any form of natural sustain will rather go for Runic Armor for higher healing with potions as well as higher passive health regeneration once you get Spirit Visage.

charcharmunro2 votes

Well, Aatrox has mobility, even if it is pretty janky, and he has decent catch-up tools. He's more a diver, akin to Olaf.

macromite8 votes

aatrox has weak mobility and no catch up tools. if aa can't 1v1 he can't do anything.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

hes a good 1v1 champ. however. you can't have 15 or so duelists and expect them all to be the best at the same time lol. doesn't work.

macromite1 votes

that's just the thing, he isn't the best, and he has no other role in a team.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Darius should have been curbstomped through the floor by now with that patch note logic.

Ahegao Bunny2 votes

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Darius should have been curbstomped through the floor by now with that patch note logic.

Darius is a pretty useless and helpless hero. He can do nothing but win his lane against melees.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

............... That's the point? My point was it was ridiculous, he's all about being tanky and healing and dealing damage, why did I get downvoted for pointing out the absurdity?!

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

idk if hes useless at least hes a threat in team fights if he gets his passive up. which tbh is really easy in team fights i usually stack on the tank and go dunk the ad carry. works often. or at least i work as a drain tank as a worst case scenario

ff4sk14 votes

Riot can't balance for shit, I thought we've already established that by now.

Well, either that or they simply don't want to balance ekko or any of the broken champions cause they're all "play makers"

TheDarkinLegend3 votes

Exactly. They are either incompetent amateurs or purposely keeping the game unbalanced.

Either way makes them awful.

Pale Pirate4 votes

Because the goal is that Ekko is not played as a tank, and as an assassin instead?

DJColdCutz3 votes

Ekko is a successful, popular champion, so they can't ever nerf him appropriately. He's like Lee Sin or Zed. Always going to get unnecessary buffs immediately after the thought that he might be a little underpowered pops into rito's head. And, he's black.

SIayton1 votes

That's a good point. It's kind of a business ploy not to nerf them, because they'd lose a big chunk of their assassin "i wanna be the cool guy" player base if Zed or Ekko or Lee were nerfed to a point that a lot of other less flashy champions are at.

Hard Penetrator1 votes

I think Lee is in good spot right now, just after 3508473287 nerfs but still.

Sammystorm3 votes

Riot made the claim that they think AP ekko is healthy. So basically they don't want to screw over AP ekko.

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

AP Ekko is actually pretty healthy since he is extremely telegraphed and needs to hit most of his abilities to do anything (also he dies if he gets caught out or at least HAS to ult). Tank Ekko just kinda throws things around willy-nilly not caring about anything since you can't punish him for missing anything since he is so tanky and will outtrade you regardless.

Sammystorm2 votes

Yep which is why I think AP Ekko is a problem.

LatetotheRace3 votes

¿¿I don't understand why an assassin needs CC to begin with...??

Twitch Chat3 votes

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¿¿I don't understand why an assassin needs CC to begin with...??

Because unless you're an assassin who can jump in and instantly kill someone then you'll need some form of sticking power or lockdown to be useful.

Anisoptera3 votes

Hey, I was the one who that previous thread. I'm glad someone recognised the fact that certain champions like Ekko and Zed are, for some reason, so eagerly kept viable and in the meta compared to some. I've always thought Ekko was a mistake. I hate his lore and character, and his kit is more arguably more toxic than Yorick's.

The old Aatrox nerf has always kept him in a state where he is borderline playable in some match ups, yet the OP picks nowadays are pick ban regardless of lane difficulty. They get picked for freelo.

Balance team is killing this game.

Saianna3 votes

Whenever we talk about Riots posterboys or lovetools [pick 1], you can throw consistency out of window.

We waited almost whole year for first Riven nerfs and even then she was at very least decent We still wait for Lee nerfs... Fizz. He was strong tank. AP. AD. Maybe it's time to make him weaker? no? Zed nerfs? Maaaaybe when Qss/Zhyona will have 10 hours CD active. Ekko. Slightly better decision making, but still biased AF with baalncing.

Lets face it: Riot was always biased towards those few sweet champs. Nothing will change.

Semiwestern2 votes

Wait a second. You actually think aatrox needs nerfs. Are you serious.

Alytrox20 votes

{quoted}

Wait a second. You actually think aatrox needs nerfs. Are you serious.

You totally missunderstood my point.

InSingedWeTrust12 votes

{quoted}

Wait a second. You actually think aatrox needs nerfs. Are you serious.

He was quoting an actual patch note/rioter, I believe.

Jorencice2 votes

{quoted}

Case 1).

Aatrox does dmg while building tanky, with 0 utility for the team.

Patch notes v3.13 quote: "Any champion can be frustrating to play against when they’re capable of building very tanky while still outputting considerable DPS, so we're lowering some of Aatrox’s innate damage. With this change, Aatrox must build items for damage and won’t be able to simultaneously tank and smash face as easily."

Nerf passive. Nerf base dmg. 0 compensations buffs elsewhere.

Reduce the champion to being relevant ONLY when snowballing.

Case 2).

Ekko does dmg while building tanky, with stupid amount of utility for the team.

Nerf base dmg. Buff every fucking AP ratio. Compensation buffs everyfuckingwhere.

Doesn't matter the nerfs you'll give to him, no matter how behind he will be, he is going to bring shittons of utility for the team. Stuns, slows, diving potential.

Where is the consistency, Riot ?

No one cares about ap ekko. It's tank ekko they hate.

So they nerf tank ekko and you still want more nerfs?

Aatrox was in the same position as vladimir. He simply can't be balanced without becoming either Uber strong or Uber weak.

Because his very design is I'm never going to die ever. And not with clever kiting like ekko. But by simply auto attacking you to death.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

Ekko was given really poor ratios when he was created (even by assassin standards) so that players would need to skirt around the battlefield and proc his passive multiple times in order to get the kill.

Ekko is compensated because, unlike Aatrox, the problem isn't that he does too much damage while building tanky, but that he doesn't do ENOUGH damage while building AP.

If Riot successfully guts tank Ekko without buffing AP Ekko Ekko will cease to exist. AP Ekko doesn't work right now.

LuminosN4 votes

Ekko does pretty good damage when full AP but dies easily,the issue is that he still does decent damage while building tank while being nearly unkillable

Xx420n0sc0p3sxX2 votes

he got compensation buffs because riot didnt want to to nerf ap ekko. The ratio buffs barely affect tank ekko. If lulu top/mid is broken, you wouldnt want to nerf lulu support as well. Tankko is very strong right now, but thats why riot buffed ratios. They are planning on making his utility scale off of ap

LuminosN2 votes
  1. It was 3 seasons ago,stuff changes
  2. People hate tank Ekko but Riot thinks AP ekko is healthy and fun (which he is) so they nerf tank while buffing AP
The Deckowner2 votes

QSS nerfed, Zed compensate nerf not on PBE, consistancy?

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

Like I've said; double standards, favoritism, refusal to balance, ext. It needs to stop, it's been ruining the game.

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

Looking at how small Aatrox's nerfs were, I don't even understand how he was ever OP to begin with.

agars282 votes

The fact they actually think these ekko nerfs are going to stop him from being tanky are hilarious

All this will MAYBE do is cause him to go ap bruiser, which will be EVEN STRONGER

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

going bruiser on burst champions is usually the worst of the many options you have because you will at some point end up not being able to burst anyone. while at the same time dying to quickly. if you go full glass cannon hey. you might kill 1 or 2 and then die. if you go tank. you just not die. if you get in between. you either die because your too squishy or you just die before killing anyone. unless you have some shit like fizz E which is artificial tankiness. bruiser ap builds never work on burst champions. at least thats my experience. unless obviously they buff his ratios so much he feels like hes a full ap champ while having only 2-3 damage items

here is the problem with ekko. look at 2 other melee ap assassins. fizz. and diana. they have. ults that they can use quickly in an assassination to burst people. ekko. can't do that unfortunately for obvious reasons. the only way is to walk into a bush and wait for some idiot to face check it. he can't use his ultimate to do damage. what are you gonna do? where is the damage going to go in without making him un interactive and simply lackluster in counterplay? if his ult does no damage and his W is a stun (sure passive damage but assassins want to 100-0 squishies in a blink of an eye not auto them to death slowly). he has 3 damaging spells if you include is passive and his E is only good with lichbane. meanwhile you have leblanc that has a 10 second cdr ult and 3 dashes that can 100-0 people faster than anyone in the game, aoe burst. and diana that is tanky as hell while going full ap while having nearly no counterplay and point click ult. and fizz. same as diana except really low cooldown an ult that gives him damage amp that has stupid scaling and basically 4 damaging abilities that one of them has a passive exectution dot.

idk make his ap shield last longer than 2.5 seconds and then he might build ap or something. make it last 5 seconds or some shit so he at least can use it to survive.

Astôlfo1 votes

What, were you expecting Riot to make sense? C'mon, be serious.

Papa Slothy1 votes

but aatrox was way too strong

kappa

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