Riot, Will there be a possible rework for Zyra mid year?

19 19 19·Jan 3, 2015·32 votes·5,490 views

We know you're already busy with Taric, Cho'Gath, Eve, Yorick and poppy at this moment and we don't want to pressure you any more than it is but, could you guys let us have some inside detail on Zyra ever getting a passive change/kit buff? Also if she will be getting Visual or Texture upgrade due to the fact that many people have said that her model has no relations to what a plant like champion should look like.

Furthermore, her Wildfire splash art does not resemble her in game model to the fullest since the upper area of her model is a complete different color than the splash art.

In the end, we would like her to be more as a Mid laner than a support overall.

(My opinion: Her Kit is perfectly fine to me, it's her passive that needs some work)

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/030/9/a/zyra_banner_by_thenamelessbard-d5tbq88.png

36 Comments

HupsisJan 3, 201514 votes

She had some personality in the newest cinematic. If Riot could deliver that same temper to her ingame model and animations. That would be perfection. But I do agree that it would be cool to have a plant champion which actually was more closer to a plant than a humanoid.

I feel like there's so many different possibilities to change her passive. Example - Standing still for 5 seconds will "root" Zyra to the ground, increasing her casting range. Her next auto attack will also root a target for 1 second (this effect is removed if Zyra moves and refreshes every 5 seconds when Zyra is not moving).

Her ult also deals way too much initial damage.

TonyTonyMordecaiJan 4, 20154 votes

That passive actually sounds like there would be some pretty good plays made by it, especially since if you stop moving, there is some vulnerability, but since she is already pretty immobile, it fits her nicely. IDK about her ultimate's damage, but I think it's fine considering how easy it is to avoid the knockup (unless you weren't ready for it or you were immobilized when it started)

HupsisJan 4, 20151 votes

Her ult damage is instant and is nearly impossible to dodge. The knock up is easy to dodge though.

It deals 180/265/350 (+70%AP) damage which is huge for such a large aoe. In addition it enhances plants attack speed and has a knockup. I think it's a bit too strong. Everytime when I play Zyra and try to plan ahead like "I'll plant these seeds here, lure the enemy, activate seeds and boost plants with my ult" the damage from all my spells is enough to kill the enemy/enemies. Why do I even have plants if I don't need them? I mean yeah they are useful at poking people down but they are useless when I can just burst people down without them. I just personally think Zyra is too bursty and the main reason being her ult damage. I'd like to see the damage reduced to something like 150/225/300 (+40%AP).

TonyTonyMordecaiJan 5, 20152 votes

I think her play style is supposed to be bursty, IMO, but the damage could probably be lowered by 30 on all levels; 150/235/320 (+70%AP). She doesn't need too much damage reduction, but that's all I can see possibly happening. Her plants are her main harassment source, and her plant damage was lowered, so all in all, it's pretty fair where her damage is. Remember, Zyra isn't mobile in any sense. The only thing you can do to help her move around the battle field better would be to grab boots, and other MS modifiers. And if you/ADC is fed enough to where you get enough gold, then yes, you will be able to take on most enemies by yourself, but that usually isn't the case. We are discussing this mainly to think of things that would make some, if not most, champions better in today's LoL, as well as the ranked scene, because ranked games is where people determine if some champions are even worth playing as.

PokladnicaZlaJan 4, 20154 votes

That´s a great suggestion,could it maybe be a charm or a silence?Considering she alredy has an AoE snare. What really bothered me about Zyra´s model is her color sheme.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120713041229/leagueoflegends/images/f/fd/Zyra_OriginalSkin.jpg

In her splash art she looks like a light tanned tropical flower/beautiful woman,while her in-game model makes her appear like she was bleached and hiding from sunlight in a cave... Brighter and more vibrant colors would do her good.

Lesbian ZyraJan 4, 20159 votes

If we want to see her as a mid mage champion again, then she has to get some seriously rework.

Currently almost every buff will buff even support Zyra. She is balanced support, but UP mid-mage. I do know what I'm talking about.

Buff ap rations? You will buff support Zyra. Add base stats? It will help support Zyra. Decrease CC of Zyra? It will cut down support Zyra.

As you can see, you can'T simply buff Zyra. The only way is to rework her or to change base scale of her spells + add more AP ration.

Currently support Zyra is maxing E for longer root. So we can change Q.

Q lvl will increase base dmg of Q and it will increase base dmg of plants too. Mid Zyra will have dmg and support Zyra only CC.

She needs some sort of escape, MS buff, shield, spellvamp or base stats buffs. I know it looks ridiculous, but we have to try every idea for mid-Zyra. Currently league has tons of assasins and mobile champions. Non-escape champions have low chance to play against them. Super-squishy without any escape and sustain, can't stay alone at solo lane for too long.

A perfect example is Azir .

Azir is better version of Zyra . He has:

He has better passive. He has even double passive.
He has escape.
His soldiers don't die.
His soldiers do attack his targets from LONG range. Azir has 2x more AA range then Zyra with his soldiers.
He has AA power.
His ultimate hasn't delay.

I know every champion is unique, but as you can see. It is possible to make a champion with his creeps to be effective as a mid champion. Even heimer is more mid > support, cause his creeps do stay a long time and they are auto-attacking champions alone.

The most problem for Zyra is her super-squishy role. People are scared to play her as a mid champion, cause of her base stats + no escape. It tooks a long time to practice her as a mid champion.

LankPantsJan 4, 20153 votes

Even if it doesn't end up making mid Zyra viable or as good as support Zyra changing her passive to anything but an after death passive would go a long way towards helping mid Zyra out.

The most problem for Zyra is her super-squishy role. People are scared to play her as a mid champion, cause of her base stats + no escape.

There are plenty of champs who are like this who people would be scared to take as a support in many situations. Good examples include Lux , Cassiopeia and Syndra (yes I know support Lux is a thing but it's generally sub-par, this is where I think Zyra should be balanced towards). I personally believe that Zyra can be balanced as a mage if Riot were to shift some resources into an attempt.

19 19 19Jan 4, 20154 votes

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If we want to see her as a mid mage champion again, then she has to get some seriously rework.

Currently almost every buff will buff even support Zyra. She is balanced support, but UP mid-mage. I do know what I'm talking about.

Buff ap rations? You will buff support Zyra. Add base stats? It will help support Zyra. Decrease CC of Zyra? It will cut down support Zyra.

As you can see, you can'T simply buff Zyra. The only way is to rework her or to change base scale of her spells + add more AP ration.

Currently support Zyra is maxing E for longer root. So we can change Q.

Q lvl will increase base dmg of Q and it will increase base dmg of plants too. Mid Zyra will have dmg and support Zyra only CC.

She needs some sort of escape, MS buff, shield, spellvamp or base stats buffs. I know it looks ridiculous, but we have to try every idea for mid-Zyra. Currently league has tons of assasins and mobile champions. Non-escape champions have low chance to play against them. Super-squishy without any escape and sustain, can't stay alone at solo lane for too long.

A perfect example is .

Azir is better version of . He has:

He has better passive. He has even double passive.

He has escape.

His soldiers don't die.

His soldiers do attack his targets from LONG range. Azir has 2x more AA range then Zyra with his soldiers.

He has AA power.

His ultimate hasn't delay.

I know every champion is unique, but as you can see. It is possible to make a champion with his creeps to be effective as a mid champion. Even heimer is more mid > support, cause his creeps do stay a long time and they are auto-attacking champions alone.

The most problem for Zyra is her super-squishy role. People are scared to play her as a mid champion, cause of her base stats + no escape. It tooks a long time to practice her as a mid champion.

I've never thought of this, you have an excellent point. I recall people playing Azir support when he was released but then suddenly people stopped playing him as a support for some odd reasons lol I guess it was because of the nerfs or the fact that he's super squishy like Zyra make a little less, Not sure but when Phreak said Zyra doesn't need MS due to her range I thought of Azir who's range can even dominate you under turret lol

4NoxiousHoursJan 3, 20158 votes

...Save the plant lady!...

HrudJan 3, 20156 votes

No, please no rework.

I'd rather not have Riot touch my most played champion. I'm sick of having my champs nerfed and destroyed.

TonyTonyMordecaiJan 4, 20157 votes

I've had Sona changed on me. Did it suck? No, but over time it did when she kept receiving nerfs for almost no reason. Was I pissed when other supports were a better pick than Sona? Yes, absolutely. But have I sucked it up and learned from others HOW to build Sona to be better? YES! But only after I asked about it after the longest time. Having a champion changed doesn't necessarily mean that they are being "destroyed". The original champion's design was just scrapped to be replaced with a kit that would better suit them in modern day LoL, much like how old Sion had an item that was a must for him, but when it was removed, Sion had nothing going for him (he was also on the ugly side, so...)... Look at new Sion now! He is much better in today's League, not to mention he has much better ways of starting a fight or even ending one! Plus the passive is very useful in cleaning up just in case you died at the end of a teamfight that was already going well for your team.

Lesbian ZyraJan 4, 20156 votes

I don't care if players are playing mid champions as supports if there is a rule:

Main role > Secondary role

As you can see. Zyra has secondary role as support, but she is balanced by her secondary role and thats fu***** wrong.

Secondary role: Support Zyra > Primary role: Mid Zyra

But you can'T simply buff Zyra cause of her balanced support. It¨s just hard to buff her in good direction.

LIQUICITYJan 4, 20155 votes

Please rework Zyra to mid champ

AquariusGineJan 4, 20155 votes

I'm so Happy there are people out there who care about Zyra mid

5G8Nri0B54Jan 4, 20154 votes

Wait, Cho'gath is getting a rework? Thought he was just getting a VU?

As for her visuals. She could use a skin other than "generic fire skin" and "legendary"...

Krys StarJan 4, 20154 votes

Unless I'm wrong, I could've sworn I read somewhere in her lore or information that Zyra's a sorceress being infested/controlled by the plant that is her. I'm PRETTY confident that's how it goes, so her model does make sense to me.

Krys StarJan 4, 20152 votes

Also, it really bothers me that her Thornspitters lack variation between her Q and E. E slows, that's obvious, but they both do the same damage. That's pretty dull and uncreative. E should do less damage and slow, while Q does more damage. Also her plants are ridiculously easy to kill after laning phase it's such a joke. I feel like aoes take them down faster than they should. :\

19 19 19Jan 5, 20151 votes

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Also, it really bothers me that her Thornspitters lack variation between her Q and E. E slows, that's obvious, but they both do the same damage. That's pretty dull and uncreative. E should do less damage and slow, while Q does more damage. Also her plants are ridiculously easy to kill after laning phase it's such a joke. I feel like aoes take them down faster than they should. :\

Her plants should have a buff for late game, Late game is an important time for team fights and it's true that Zyra provides utility but what if the enemy team as more utility/cc? not only that what if they have GA as their last item? It would the plants to hopefully finish the job than herself since Zyra is slow and extremely squishy.

LethaLunacyJan 3, 20153 votes

Zyra's Kit is fine.... Mordekaiser on the other hand...

19 19 19Jan 3, 20156 votes

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Zyra's Kit is fine.... Mordekaiser on the other hand...

I've played games with Mordekaiser in rank and that dude is crazy strong. It's just the visual that sucks.

TonyTonyMordecaiJan 4, 20153 votes

"You only need to click once" Thanks for the advice, tin man.... But anyway! Yeah, he looks badass (in splash) but has the worst case of pizza feet in-game. Not to mention when he does the move that sends maces out of the ground that it sounds so cool to hear his voice echo :3

5G8Nri0B54Jan 4, 20151 votes

"The AP mid who can't go mid is fine..."

Leblancs BoobJan 3, 20153 votes

She could use a more useful passive but otherwise her kit is fine

MrBuffingtonJan 4, 20153 votes

Tristana is also scheduled for a light rework (mostly focused on her E, I think). I'd like to see some passive changes for Zyra; Lissandra as well. It'd be cool if her passive actually improved her gameplay instead of relying on the squishy backline mage to die...lol. Maybe something with some interaction with her plants?

HelinorJan 4, 20153 votes

Hm.. if you want to rework Zyra for mid lane, you will need to do something with her early game....

SammystormJan 4, 20153 votes

when she was first released she was so oppressive as a mid laner that riot had to hot fix her within a week of her release. The aftermath left her too weak too mid but stronger then most supports so she went bot then got nerfed a couple more times leaving her too weak too support or mid.

VDc0zCqe0wJan 4, 20152 votes

why would u give her full rework?

her kit is so fun, just change passive and tune some AP scaling (0.2 on plants hurr durr)

i actually love her as a support, i would be really sad if they made her midlaner only

why not both mid and support?

also please, don't change the visuals, she is completely fine as she is now: not everyone has to be Reksai

5G8Nri0B54Jan 4, 20157 votes

i actually love her as a support, i would be really sad if they made her midlaner only

why not both mid and support?

With the patch where they gutted her, Riot has demonstrated they are completely incapable of making this possible.

So now you have to decide between

a) Making the AP mid be a viable AP mid

b) Making the AP mid only be viable as a Support alongside other Support champions that already exists

What does common sense tell you?

19 19 19Jan 4, 20157 votes

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With the patch where they gutted her, Riot has demonstrated they are completely incapable of making this possible.

So now you have to decide between

a) Making the AP mid be a viable AP mid

or

b) Making the AP mid only be viable as a Support alongside other Support champions that already exists

What does common sense tell you?

Syndra's Secondary is Support, I have yet to see people play her as support but you rarely see that. That's the kind of champion I want Zyra to be, the kind that is 99% Mid and 1% Support. She wasn't released to be a support, she was released to be a damn Mid Laner.

VDc0zCqe0wJan 4, 20152 votes

because they didn't want to: check Annie's patch, where they actually DID something for her AP mid version

they just didn't do anything for Zyra except that stupid 0.05 AP ratio

start increasing AP ratio on plants (0.2)

also, how many supports do they release per year? this year we had: Braum, and that's it last year we had: Nami and Thresh, and that's it

midlaners played a supports are really good for the game because they are different both from tanks and from utility supports, the support role would be 10 times more boring without them :/

CindikleJan 4, 20151 votes

Came to downvote. Read it was about visual look. Going to leave feeling silly.

I find Wildfire to be kind of ugly. And I don't know if they fixed the Haunted skin. Where a plants first shot could end up doing no damage.

OleandervineJan 4, 20151 votes

I don't think Zyra should be touched at all. Despite what all of you think, her passive being how it is allows the rest of her kit to retain it's power. She has excellent snares, her plants are effective, and her damage output can be formidable with proper plant placement coupled with Q and R. If her passive is changed, Riot will undoubtedly suck the life out of the rest of her kit to compensate. As a side note, I think she looks just fine as she is. She looks like Poison Ivy, as was her intended homage, and I feel like her appearance fits her and her current lore.

Adrian FrancescoJan 4, 20151 votes

actually zyra is my main champ and i bought her right when she came out but something buggs me. ahe has no cool skins i mean they all are hideous. plants look grose on the field. please could there be a more attractive skin like deaddly bloom zyra or battle cast zyra

Lesbian ZyraJan 4, 20151 votes

Yay! Burn support Zyra!

Please riot. PLEASE! Can you rework her as a mid champion again? You can remove even some CC from her, just let me see her as a balanced mid-mage instead of balanced support...

E - can root only 1st champion. R - will slow (root if champion is immune against slows), but it will not have a delay. Currently R has 0.5s delay or more and spell sometimes doesn't even make dmg. Plants will attack that champion who is attacking Zyra too. You can add even if Zyra will hit someone with her spell. Every kill of champion/big minion/big monster will add one seed for Zyra. This could help jungle Zyra. Passive - One of the most useless passive in the game. Her shot is really slow + has a long delay + works only if Zyra will die. She needs some MS bonus, because she has 2nd the lowest hp in the game + the lowest ms + no escape. It's really bad combination.

She is my main as Top/Mid/Jungle mage. I've played TONS of games with her even in master tier. I am not playing her as support, cause you've balanced her as a support. 90% players are playing her as a support, cause you've nerfed her mid-power so much. You can check my YT that I know what i am talking about.

Zyra is not a burst mage. (c) Morello.

Well, but what is she? Sustain dmg mage? She can't do it. Her plants are dying really fast and sometimes plants have really low AI.

Love Zyra + Lissandra

19 19 19Jan 4, 20154 votes

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Yay! Burn support Zyra!

Please riot. PLEASE! Can you rework her as a mid champion again? You can remove even some CC from her, just let me see her as a balanced mid-mage instead of balanced support...

E - can root only 1st champion. R - will slow (root if champion is immune against slows), but it will not have a delay. Currently R has 0.5s delay or more and spell sometimes doesn't even make dmg. Plants will attack that champion who is attacking Zyra too. You can add even if Zyra will hit someone with her spell. Every kill of champion/big minion/big monster will add one seed for Zyra. This could help jungle Zyra. Passive - One of the most useless passive in the game. Her shot is really slow + has a long delay + works only if Zyra will die. She needs some MS bonus, because she has 2nd the lowest hp in the game + the lowest ms + no escape. It's really bad combination.

She is my main as Top/Mid/Jungle mage. I've played TONS of games with her even in master tier. I am not playing her as support, cause you've balanced her as a support. 90% players are playing her as a support, cause you've nerfed her mid-power so much. You can check my YT that I know what i am talking about.

Well, but what is she? Sustain dmg mage? She can't do it. Her plants are dying really fast and sometimes plants have really low AI.

Love +

You're going too far, that's like saying take off Morgana's Q snare and remove the stun from the ult and make it a 99% slow like what they did to Talon. Zyra's Utility Idea is fine, but the people who want her kit to be changed, I feel as if you guys want to see a more lively plant side on Zyra but tbh Zyra's kit is pretty good as it is, if you feel like you can suggest things feel free to mention it, Riot's job is to read and reply back to people with answers.

Tho, sometimes I feel like Riot can't change Zyra's kit due to the fact that she has expressed half of her kit in that Video ( you can see it in my icon as an example) but in that video they never expressed Zyra's passive, she was supposed to snipe Ahri and that would've been the end for Ahri HAHA AHRI MAINS! (x But on the serious note, if her passive was never expressed in that Cinematic then ayeeee they can do the change.

Lesbian ZyraJan 6, 20151 votes