Inb4 "omfg rito plz MF is winning teamfights alone lategame"

AkabaneKun·Sep 30, 2015·64 votes·3,785 views

Calling it.

60 Comments

Slamurai JackSep 30, 201528 votes

"MF ult has no counterplay!" - Morons

Other than, you know, basically anything.

ShotHottieSep 30, 20152 votes

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"MF ult has no counterplay!" - Morons

Other than, you know, basically anything.

^This.

Trundle BundleSep 30, 201512 votes

NO. COUNTERPLAY.

NONE.

IcyPepperSep 30, 20159 votes

Let's list all the ways, shall we? o.O

You can move out of the aoe without needing to guess her movements (unlike Lucian ult or any channeled moving ult ever).
You can land any cc skillshot on her if she's not behind minions.
You can land any delayed aoe cc on her, either hitting her or forcing her to cancel ult
Basically you can cc her, she's a sitting duck.
Or kill her, if you're bursty enough or just attacking her.
Zone her to force a cancel.
Spread out in a teamfight.
Flash behind her.

Feel free to contribute, anybody.

Solari FortuneSep 30, 20154 votes

{quoted}

Let's list all the ways, shall we? o.O

You can move out of the aoe without needing to guess her movements (unlike Lucian ult or any channeled moving ult ever).

You can land any cc skillshot on her if she's not behind minions.

You can land any delayed aoe cc on her, either hitting her or forcing her to cancel ult

Basically you can cc her, she's a sitting duck.

Or kill her, if you're bursty enough or just attacking her.

Zone her to force a cancel.

Spread out in a teamfight.

Flash behind her.

Feel free to contribute, anybody.

Braum and Yas, I hate their walls. Also Anivia wall placed on MF will stop it

IcyPepperSep 30, 20156 votes

I'm guessing Trundle pillar or any knock-up will do so as well?

For CarthageSep 30, 20156 votes

Kassadin's Q also. Any channel interrupt.

Also, sneezing on her, coughing next to her, not complimenting her attire, saying that she "looks pretty today", mentioning Gangplank in any way, shape or form, the sun setting, the position of the stars as well, a bird flying by that is the color green, any squirrels that are orange, and lemon flavored Jolly Ranchers.

BlightScytheOct 1, 20151 votes

legitimately burst out laughing

Malix FarwinSep 30, 20152 votes

{quoted}

Let's list all the ways, shall we? o.O

You can move out of the aoe without needing to guess her movements (unlike Lucian ult or any channeled moving ult ever).

You can land any cc skillshot on her if she's not behind minions.

You can land any delayed aoe cc on her, either hitting her or forcing her to cancel ult

Basically you can cc her, she's a sitting duck.

Or kill her, if you're bursty enough or just attacking her.

Zone her to force a cancel.

Spread out in a teamfight.

Flash behind her.

Feel free to contribute, anybody.

Pretty hard to do since its a large cone and most cases you will be in a restricted area
Agree
Agree
Repeating yourself
Most likely has peels
Same as above
same as point 1
same as point 5

Not saying she will be OP but if she is ulting you she most likely have a team in front of her or you are almost dead/out or resources.

IcyPepperSep 30, 20153 votes

shrugs

Her ult in design has counterplay, but that doesn't mean she or her team doesn't have ways to play around that (even counterplay on counterplay has counterplay, this game feels like a more complicated version of chess!). If a champion ults you when you're almost dead or out of resources, that's not a counterplay issue on MF's end. As for her team... well, wombo combos exist. Even Riven is guaranteed to land her ult if Amumu, Galio, or Sejuani ulted perfectly.

And I was purposely using repetition. :V

Maximum MordeSep 30, 20152 votes

{quoted}

Let's list all the ways, shall we? o.O

You can move out of the aoe without needing to guess her movements (unlike Lucian ult or any channeled moving ult ever).

You can land any cc skillshot on her if she's not behind minions.

You can land any delayed aoe cc on her, either hitting her or forcing her to cancel ult

Basically you can cc her, she's a sitting duck.

Or kill her, if you're bursty enough or just attacking her.

Zone her to force a cancel.

Spread out in a teamfight.

Flash behind her.

Feel free to contribute, anybody.

I just stand in it cause it doesn't even hurt.

IcyPepperSep 30, 20151 votes

https://media3.giphy.com/media/22fDUVPyuugs8/200_s.gif

Biff ManlySep 30, 20154 votes

{quoted}

Let's list all the ways, shall we? o.O

You can move out of the aoe without needing to guess her movements (unlike Lucian ult or any channeled moving ult ever).

You can land any cc skillshot on her if she's not behind minions.

You can land any delayed aoe cc on her, either hitting her or forcing her to cancel ult

Basically you can cc her, she's a sitting duck.

Or kill her, if you're bursty enough or just attacking her.

Zone her to force a cancel.

Spread out in a teamfight.

Flash behind her.

Feel free to contribute, anybody.

Literally standing in the middle and having bullets whizz past your head. You can counter her ult by not moving. That's how oppressive it is.

Spicy RiceSep 30, 20151 votes

Just eat her TahmKench Boxes, boxes everywhere Shaco

IGotScuttleCrabsSep 30, 20151 votes

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Just eat her Boxes, boxes everywhere

If friendly Tahm eats her does it cancel her channel or does it keep going while he moves around? I forgot how channels work with him.

ModAcademy KaynSep 30, 20151 votes

Can't interrupt an allies channel. Except Lucian's ult, but I don't know if that's a channel.

Speaking of Lucian ult and Tahm, LAZER FROG

ÑapoleoniSep 30, 20153 votes

She does have no counter play . . . She has Auto attacks you can't dodge. Checkmate Atheists.

The only champions able to beat her no counter play AA's is Jax, Teemo and Quinn. MF is gonna need some major nerfs. Kinda dumb how they made her AA's Auto-lock. Karthus is the only ADC able to block the blind conundrum, but he doesn't have OP OP Auto locking auto attacks.

darkmatchwaldoSep 30, 20151 votes

lolwut

ÑapoleoniOct 1, 20151 votes

ןoןʇnʍ

Kitten of EvilSep 30, 20154 votes

"Moving out of the way of a skill is not counterplay." - The same morons.

Hexs FortuneSep 30, 201520 votes

As a Gold MF main...

http://www.everbridge.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/winter-is-coming-jpeg-492x0_q85_crop-smart.jpg

TroyTheUnconquerSep 30, 20152 votes

ohhhh a high level MF main, i have a question, what champs do you have problems fighting against as MF?

For CarthageSep 30, 20151 votes

If I had to take a shot in the dark about this (and I know this isn't aimed at me)...

Hyper-mobility, jumping, high burst, lots of stuns. What most ADC's are weak against generally, but Miss Fortune compared to other ADC's actually feels surprisingly squishy (it might just be my imagination) and a lot of her safety in fights and catching potential comes from her passive and her E, which is the AoE slow. Generally you rely on that to keep enemies in their place or force them to turn if they can't run away, and is really a beautiful little mechanic to use it and your W's strut-reactivation to open up the distance between you and your would-be killer. Honestly, I personally thought her to be a fairly strong ADC despite people calling her the worst carry in the game. But again, the usual hyper-mobiles will probably put you in your place way more often than with the other ADC's.

TroyTheUnconquerSep 30, 20151 votes

I see what your saying, so you have troubles against, basically champs like Kalista or Tristana ?

And i can kind of see how you see as MF as squishy, but her W makes her rather excellent at 1v1's so i don't normally get to see her 100-0 because the enemy dies to quickly :)

For CarthageSep 30, 20152 votes

Her W's AS increase is actually pretty pathetic, and the mixed damage only works well against tanks and in the early game. Past mid-game, it's all on you being an AD champ.

Honestly, my favorite thing for MF is if you actually get her ult off, building BC on her is one of the best things to help out a heavily-AD team. You apply all 6 stacks in a massive area in a short amount of time, which can cause enemies to either want to ditch out of a fight and give your team temporary control or, if they're bent on engaging, gives you a window of power.

Kalista is only a real problem if she gets ahead - she's honestly one of the lesser duelist ADC's since the nerfs. Great at killing teams, mediocre at a 1v1 against her own kind. Trist is always a problem if you can't outburst or outmaneuver her, and MF can't do either of those things against her.

As a side note, if you get absurdly fed as MF, rush a BT - her strut stops on direct damage, which translates to her taking health damage, not shield damage. Supports that can give her a shield as well will guarantee her safety and chasing-potential way more than a tank support, so get a Janna and enjoy.

TroyTheUnconquerOct 1, 20151 votes

Thats a nice tip about the shield, had no clue about that thanks :)

ShotHottieSep 30, 20157 votes

I love playing MF. She's so fun! Plus, (in my experience at least) she's underrated. I really hope this doesn't happen! But you're probably right. le sigh

A Miss FortuneSep 30, 20151 votes

I agree, Miss Fortune is extremely underrated despite her high damage output and versatility on top of her being extremely reliable/easy to play (and really fun on that too), but It's going to be annoying when the community switches from "omg buff mf PLS" to "omg gut this cancer MF she has a 51% win rate!!"

ShotHottieSep 30, 20151 votes

Before they started the update, I played MF in a normal blind pick game. I went 20-8. My internet even shut off in game for 5 minutes. People were already complaining "MF is broken"

This is going to be rough.

darapier17Sep 30, 20151 votes

play a mid game oriented support and carrying mf is easy and fun as well

Karn BishopSep 30, 20155 votes

I will never complain about MF, she doesn't have tumble, she doesn't have invisibility while tumbling and she doesn't do %max hp true damage to everyone under the sun while tumbling, while bragging about skills in all chat.

xFrostKnightxSep 30, 20154 votes

It's not about knowing people will cry, this is a fact they will.

It's all about when?

$20 says 24-48 hours from after the patch. No sooner, no later.

FiveofswordsSep 30, 20153 votes

ive always played mf...was my favorite adc back in season 1, although i did convert to a mostly cait player because i liked her kit.

I never felt that mf was underpowered. Nor did i really have an issue with her ult. for me it was a useful way to get people who were running away/not visible or clear a wave quickly or make people defending a turret scatter. I was fine with it.

I feel like people just follows fads of reasoning without any real objective merit. It simply became a habit to say that mf was underpowered or outclassed, or no reason to pick her over some other adc. On the contrary, i think she does the adc job just fine. In fact i tihnk all the adc are quite balanced, they just have different power spikes and specialties...which could make some slightly trivial nuance in how you work with various compositions, or how you play with your team at various stages of the game

...but all of this pales in comparison to more important things like working on perfect wave clear while having perfect map awareness etc which is stuff i personally am still working on, so it makes little to no difference what adc i play.

Mf wrecks people in late game. all adc do really, and mf is no exception. I dont think there is anything wrong with her late game dps compared to other adc. It can be a bit annoying to lack any sort of escape move with her like caitlyn, but i find this is offset by the fact that mf feels just a bit tankier than caitlyn, which allows her to win 1v1 duels a bit better (mf is a bit mroe likely to kill a lategame yi or nasus 1v1 than caitlyn is)

I hear people say a lot that there is no compelling reason to pick her or something. I cant really argue with that, but i also see no compelling reason not to pick her. How do you say that she is strictly inferior to some other adc when the abilities are simply different?

Anyway i dont think she even needed a buff...but thats cool she got one i guess, ill play her more.

VekknaSep 30, 20153 votes

And you know it's going to be a Yasuo saying this, just to make it that much more delicious.

Faded LichSep 30, 20152 votes

I've said it ever since her buffed was first put up on surrender@20. Today will be the day the world rues calling my favorite ADC UP. Today, is the day..of the MF lovers and mains. Expect us. We are coming O_o

Sona PingSep 30, 20152 votes

Nah, people are still going to try to use her ult while standing in front of a Darius and then come here to complain about how worthless it is.

SaltyKrackaSep 30, 20151 votes

It's not exactly a small buff, you know.

Battlecast SonaSep 30, 20155 votes

2.0 bonus AD over the entire duration of her ultimate, at level 16.

Assuming level 16 build with 1 defensive item, MF has 230 bonus AD, meaning (if someone stays in her ult for the entire channel), they take 460 bonus damage compared to live.

Now I'd like you to consider that MF's ultimate previously was basically a tickle at level 16, and not worth the time spent channeling... 460 damage is a lot, but once you factor in resistances it's really not going to be as huge as I think people are assuming. It's just going to give MF a reason to actually press her R after 20 minutes. I mean, was it better that her ultimate literally didn't scale with AD at all before? The number may need to be modified, but the actual ratio has been a long time coming.

DivewingSep 30, 20151 votes

Imo I think sh'ed be better off ditching an atk speed item (as bizzare as that sounds) in favour of Cleaver and more raw AD. It'd move her significantly into Ezreal esque range of ADC (spell focused), but I reckon it could work, would certainly require testerinos

Battlecast SonaSep 30, 20151 votes

I personally think the build is going to involve black cleaver with stacked AD items, but it will depend on what the actual numbers end up looking like. I'm thinking instead of going Phantom Dancer/Statikk taking a Trinity Force to take advantage of double up with reduced CD being great for proccing the spellblade, then using BC and other AD items to increase the damage on her ultimate in teamfights. I wouldn't necessarily RUSH the triforce (I think BT first is gonna be pretty standard with the strut interaction), but it might be an interesting choice to give her some aspd/crit while also benefitting a more spell heavy MF playstyle. I'm just wondering if MF is gonna become another Muramana ADC (like the Varus builds) or if something else will come out of this.

ChaoticPineconeSep 30, 20151 votes

i used to do this all the time because im horrible at autoattack ADCs. Bloodthirster, Trinity, IE, Black Cleaver, Last Whisper, Zerkers. It works if the enemy team doesnt have a tank because you burst so hard.

But as with any caster-AD that doesnt have a BOTRK, it takes a while to cut through anybody with 3 armor items.

DessemSep 30, 20152 votes

Obviously her ult should scale with ASPD like Lucian's, so that MF just uses W->R to spread more bullet hell than Touhou.

SpecterVonBarenOct 1, 20151 votes

Not to mention how her old scaling was 40% TOTAL AD at all levels. This scaling change helps but auto crits will still do more damage and be the better option in most cases.

Remlap1223Sep 30, 20151 votes

RP to donuts that she becomes the new boards daily bitchfest once pre-season rolls around.

AkabaneKunSep 30, 20156 votes

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RP to donuts that she becomes the new boards daily bitchfest once pre-season rolls around.

If an adc with no gapcloser and pretty much 0 cc ends up getting bitched around here than it just goes to show how bad this boards are atm.

Remlap1223Sep 30, 20151 votes

{quoted}

If an adc with no gapcloser and pretty much 0 cc ends up getting bitched around here than it just goes to show how bad this boards are atm.

The boards have always been bad. And every change that Riot has made to them has facilitated aspects of their awfulness. Now it's reached a point of critical mass where the general population of boards knows how shit it is, while simultaneously circlejerking about how OP Vayne is.

And it's only going to get worse until Rito addresses these problems (never going to happen, expect it to get even worse in the future).