You can have mastery points on a joke mode of ARAM but not on normal ARAM and TT...

AkabaneKun·Apr 15, 2016·75 votes·4,370 views

I really don't get riot sometimes, is it so hard to have a key feature in the other modes? Especially now that we have hextech crafting, why don't you want the TT and ARAM community money, do you think it's filthy money or something? Like seriously how hard can it be to implement mastery points and chests on other modes? Then again you removed a 4 year old mode because you couldn't be bothered to waste 0,1% of the money you make per year on it, so i dunno why i still get surprised by this point.

PS:Dynamic queue is also a joke in normal games , 90% premades is a lot of fun, and i don't miss TB at all, keep up the good work.

32 Comments

HethaleanApr 15, 20165 votes

Let's be honest. ARAM doesn't really show how well you play a champion, thus, a grading scale would be super difficult. ;)

That being said I do not know why you can get champion mastery for the rotating game queue mode. My guess is that it is encouragement for people to use the mode while ARAM is already established and popular.

MinardeApr 15, 201619 votes

Let's be honest. ARAM doesn't really show how well you play a champion, thus, a grading scale would be super difficult. ;)

How does it not?

CheftoniFTWApr 16, 20164 votes

The mode is entirely composed of teamfights. Do you really think someone who picked up Nidalee for the first time should get an S because she chucked a fuckton of spears?

You're evaluatedon your ability to play in a real game. (Farming, Jungling, Teamfights, etc). ARAM is really just one or two of these factors.

MinardeApr 16, 20168 votes

You're confusing "how well you play a champion" with "how well you play a champion on SR." Different maps/modes emphasize different skills. Just because someone knows how to farm, jungle, and teamfight on SR doesn't necessarily mean they know how to do so on TT. It's the reason why MMR is separate for each game mode and why the grading algorithm is adjusted for each game mode.

You are evaluated on your ability to play in a real game. The difference is that this "real game" is ARAM, not SR.

CheftoniFTWApr 16, 20161 votes

I was talking more about ARAM rather than Twisted Treeline. That, I do agree Champion mastery should apply.

MinardeApr 16, 20162 votes

Same concept applies. ARAM's emphasis is teamcomp adaptability and teamfighting. Farming and jungling are minimal/nonexistent, but teamfighting ability is tested much more strictly on ARAM than on SR.

LlaniteApr 16, 20161 votes

Which is exactly why ARAM does not gain you mastery which is used to measure performance on SR.

MinardeApr 17, 20161 votes

Mastery doesn't measure performance at all; it simply tracks time spent playing a champion. Everyone, regardless of MMR, has the same opportunity to raise Mastery level. Someone who plays absolutely terribly every game can have the same Mastery level as someone who completely stomps every game. The only difference is how long it takes to get that Mastery level.
Mastery is available in the rotating game mode queue. The first two modes in the rotating queue were Ascension and Poro King, neither of which are on SR. As such, it's a little strange to claim that Mastery measures performance on SR.
Riot's already expressed interest in adding Champ Mastery to Treeline and ARAM. The delay is because work on the rotating queue was deemed higher priority.

LlaniteApr 17, 20161 votes

Cumulative scores perhaps.

Mastery grade depends on your performance in a particular role. 100 mediocre games earn you 100 B, not A or S. If you spend 1001 hours grinding, you'll get Lvl 5, but not S or A unless you get better at the role.

Mastery WAS intended for SR. They later make alternative modes eligible for mastery as well, the intention remained unclear. They may or maynot make it available on ARAM, don't hold your breath.

MinardeApr 17, 20161 votes

Considering the system doesn't currently display your post-game grades at all besides the highest achieved, there is no functional difference between 100 B's or 100 S's. Different amounts of Mastery xp awarded, but that can be evened out just by grinding more games.

That's just because everything is originally intended for SR. Even on the Mastery feature/explanation page, there's a mention of currently limiting Mastery to SR. Especially with enabling Mastery for the rotating mode queue, Riot's intention is fairly obvious. Mastery is meant to be a League feature, not an SR feature.

I do agree that Mastery on ARAM may not be enabled for a long time. Not because it doesn't fit on ARAM though, but because Riot has a history of delaying porting features to Alternate Maps. It took, what, months/years for brush sway and minion projectile updates to reach the Crystal Scar? Minion skins didn't hit Twisted Treeline until Draven Day earlier this month.

LlaniteApr 17, 20161 votes

The difference is that you don't get your chest, and the satisfaction that you are doing better than most people.

QsarioApr 15, 20162 votes

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Let's be honest. ARAM doesn't really show how well you play a champion, thus, a grading scale would be super difficult. ;)

That being said I do not know why you can get champion mastery for the rotating game queue mode. My guess is that it is encouragement for people to use the mode while ARAM is already established and popular.

It's true that it's nowhere near the same as in real games because it values teamfights heavily and devalues positioning because it's almost never possible to flank, not to mention CSing because the wave is shared by everyone, but it's too harsh to say that you can't learn a champion at all.

But yeah, I have no idea why they turned it on for a joke mode and not ARAM.

EfficientDynamoApr 15, 20169 votes

I have to disagree, it just values different things than SR. In ARAM you have to have a solid understanding of way more champs, you have to keep track of a huge number of skillshots at all times, and you have to gauge when and where you need to die and buy.

QsarioApr 17, 20161 votes

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I have to disagree, it just values different things than SR. In ARAM you have to have a solid understanding of way more champs, you have to keep track of a huge number of skillshots at all times, and you have to gauge when and where you need to die and buy.

All very true statements, but there are definitely skills that are more important on SR than ARAM and the other way around.

I doubt you dodge half as many skillshots in the average game on SR, for example. I know my dodging has improved hugely by playing it so much.

Biff ManlyApr 16, 20161 votes

I'm fairly certain mastery is based on KDA/CS anyways. I have no respect for the system.

HethaleanApr 16, 20161 votes

It's definitely a ton more than just KDA and CS.

GayFluffyUnicornApr 16, 20161 votes

If you want to learn a champion, playing Aram is the best thing u can do. LOL. Especially poro king is nice bc u can just spam your champ every game.

TallyZrgApr 15, 20165 votes

Riot said that ARAM and TT are in queue for Mastery feature. Need to give Riot time to work through everything else they said they were working on first and/or the triage adjustment of their priorities.

TLDR: Chill man, it's coming.

XonraApr 15, 20162 votes

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Riot said that ARAM and TT are in queue for Mastery feature. Need to give Riot time to work through everything else they said they were working on first and/or the triage adjustment of their priorities.

TLDR: Chill man, it's coming.

How is it harder to add mastery for already implemented, permanent modes, compared to modes on the same map with a few gimmicks?

Dan AbnormalApr 15, 20161 votes

the point system is probably gonna be balanced around these mods, while for the fun mods they've clearly just slaped SR's mastery system on them

Mysticman89Apr 16, 20161 votes

They've kinda explicitly said that they balanced the mastery point rewards around those modes though rather than just using SR's system.

RocketRelmApr 16, 20161 votes

I think for the 'gimmicky modes' they've made a haphazard system slapped together with spare scrap from rumble's garage. For a 'consistent game mode' they probably want it to be coherent and to matter, because if there's a mistake they can't just go 'eh fck it it's gone in 2 days'.

hhaavviikkApr 16, 20161 votes

isn't it already in place though but just not activated?

in some ARAM games the client says that because I do not own the champion I won't get a chest obviously implying I got a S there and should've gotten a chest and yet we all know you NEVER get chests in ARAM so that would mean all riot has to do is just activate the feature in ARAM not even implement it.

TallyZrgApr 17, 20161 votes

I wasn't even aware of that. I wonder what they are waiting on then. hmm...

AmelieApr 15, 20163 votes

They already said they are adjusting the grading algorithm for these modes though...

ImperialKainApr 15, 20165 votes

And knowing Riot.... You believe them on there word!! [zombie-nunu-bummed]

Karma DeifiedApr 15, 20166 votes

Yeah, Riot hasn't exactly been trustworthy this year.

MinardeApr 15, 20162 votes

Especially now that we have hextech crafting, why don't you want the TT and ARAM community money, do you think it's filthy money or something?

Considering per-win IP boosts have blatantly favored SR over any of the other game modes for years, this sentiment wouldn't be too surprising.

ÇhåryzårdApr 15, 20161 votes

Aram is completely random and is a completely different gamemode with a completely different map?

Also keys do drop from Arams or at least I saw they were adding it?

You can't judge skill based off aram and therefore you will not get a rank.

I SUCK at Katerina in normals. I can't play her in summoner's rift. I'm great at her in aram, because shes a good champ in Aram. I always get fed and that would never happen in a summoner's rift. It is a very poor example of my skill, because the only reason I'm good with her on that map is because she's good on that map, and since all players are stuck in a 1 lan map, it's incredibly easy to just get assists to add onto your passive at only lvl 3.

On that map, some champions are better than others. You could be a god at Renekton in Summoner's rift and then completely suck at him on aram because of the map and because of the randomness of the teams. Nobody has control over who they play, and you cant judge skill based off of how you play in a map that makes both teams random and works better for some champions than others.

Adding mastery to aram is not a priority and if they are adding it they'll probably adjust it. You can't judge a person's skill at a champ when its on a map that makes who you play random and favors certain champs more than others.

Biff ManlyApr 16, 20161 votes

If you're not here to buy jerseys and root for your favorite ~~pack of computer nerds~~ professional sports team, you're not going to be accommodated by rito.

ObericApr 16, 20161 votes

I keep logging into League because I feel like I want to play. Then I remember how poorly Riot has handled the game lately. I play 2-3 games per month now. Almost over my addiction.

Adding mastery points to aram would go far to bringing me back.

tèkuApr 28, 20161 votes

This is the issue I lost rank gold 5 and went to silver 1 no warning what so ever plus being matched with lower ellows. I got back to gold 5 again matched with mostly silver bronze carrying. I literally got to up to gold five promos and had a bad streak it seems you never win 4 plus games my experience. I lost a lot but still mostly bronze and silver players feeding. Then out of no where I get demoted to silver like nothing after just getting to gold 5 after losing couple of games at 0. I feel like I'm being set for failure not perfect but but dam getting stuck with lanes feeding what can I do but be positive. When it comes down to it I literally got demoted from gold 5 right after getting in it minus the horrible match making getting stuck with.