Funny how when GhostCrawler changed position, so many weird and questionable changes are happening

King Lego·Nov 8, 2018·7 votes·2,643 views

I kind of find it ironic. People say to remove GhostCrawler, league will become better. Well our man Ghosty changed to a different position for a different project (which counts anyway to leaving) and here we are getting changes that apparently for every 1 good change (turrets for example) there are 2 bad changes (wards and shield bash for example). I don't know how many changes in total, but so far the turrets and runes are the only good changes I know of. Maybe the bounty system too.

My bigger question is: will season 9 League be worth our time to play? Riot is going all hydra on this. Cut one head, 2 grows back. Same idea with the problems we have (or problems we had and the one we will have).

35 Comments

saltranNov 8, 201810 votes

Quick, the Circlejerk Boards needs to find another scapegoat.

King LegoNov 8, 20181 votes

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Quick, the Circlejerk Boards need to find another scapegoat.

I think Meddler is a good substitute. But I think he's more at fault than GhostCrawler himself.

DrCyanideNov 8, 20181 votes

Lets blame Bioluminescence and for not balancing the game right! That always gets results!

######/s - for those that don't know, Bioluminescence hangs out on the Story/Art section just chilling and theory crafting with people.

Big ol NomNov 8, 20183 votes

ghostcrawler was ass that doesnt change, but i dont just want a different head of the balance team, i want goddamn morello in charge again he actually understood how to balance shit and its only been downhill since he left that position

King LegoNov 8, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big ol Nom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dm0NRok2,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-08T20:37:38.258+0000)

ghostcrawler was ass that doesnt change, but i dont just want a different head of the balance team, i want goddamn morello in charge again he actually understood how to balance shit and its only been downhill since he left that position

You're not the only one really. Morello was hated for nerfs then when he left, everything went haywire. My only question is, was Morello fired or did he leave on his own?

Big ol NomNov 8, 20181 votes

yahe was hated for nerfs, because stupid people couldnt grasp the fact that nerfs are essential and now we got those some dumbasses complaining about all the buffs and no nerfs, ironic. and morello didnt leave or get fired, hes working with riot on their new game thats been in development for a good while, very excited to see how it turns out because i trust morello in keeping it from being too unbalanced. hopefully after its released he can go back to running the balance team and unfuck everything from ghostcrawler

King LegoNov 8, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big ol Nom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dm0NRok2,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-11-08T20:47:29.575+0000)

yahe was hated for nerfs, because stupid people couldnt grasp the fact that nerfs are essential and now we got those some dumbasses complaining about all the buffs and no nerfs, ironic. and morello didnt leave or get fired, hes working with riot on their new game thats been in development for a good while, very excited to see how it turns out because i trust morello in keeping it from being too unbalanced. hopefully after its released he can go back to running the balance team and unfuck everything from ghostcrawler

How long has been that new game in construction?!? Did we get even a teaser on what it is and how it will be?!? Also how do you know Morello is working on it too? And GC is working on it too.

Big ol NomNov 8, 20181 votes

morello himself said thats what he was doing awhile back, on reddit i believe and i thinks its been in development for a few years now we havent got much info on it

King LegoNov 8, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big ol Nom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dm0NRok2,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-08T20:52:30.772+0000)

morello himself said thats what he was doing awhile back, on reddit i believe and i thinks its been in development for a few years now we havent got much info on it

"A few years now" I knew it! Because I felt I've heard about this "new game" from at least 1 year. If it takes that long it better be good though.

Big ol NomNov 8, 20181 votes

ya 0 clue on anything about it tho lol, considering how much of the world and lore theyre fleshing out im guessing its gonna have something to do with that

King LegoNov 8, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big ol Nom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dm0NRok2,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-08T21:06:54.573+0000)

ya 0 clue on anything about it tho lol, considering how much of the world and lore theyre fleshing out im guessing its gonna have something to do with that

I'm sure it will be worth the wait. Otherwise, riot will have something worse than clash.

HÔPÊNov 8, 20183 votes

People hated Morello? Why? He was fine. I never actually had any problem with him. He nerfed a lot of my champs but the game was fun.

GayFluffyUnicornNov 8, 20182 votes

Idk morello had his weaknesses too but one thing is for certain: Nerfmaster sucktown valued our fun and he didn't try to shove terrible design down our throats. No he nerfed it to shit pending a rework. Which was the right thing to do. Just like old evelynn. Then there is the new riot development that tries to make kennen work for the 10th time THIS time it works for certain and he will not be a broken piece of shit toplane. Oh guess what he is broken again oops sorry worlds is coming can't balance the game for another 12 months. Or to stay with my evelynn example: what if we rework evelynn into old evelynn but instead of a stun she gets a charm. THAT will make her balanced and fun to play against.

Big ol NomNov 8, 20181 votes

have you ever played against old old eve, with the stun? because if your comparing that with new eve you probably havent lol

GayFluffyUnicornNov 9, 20182 votes

Yeah one is a stealthed assassin that stuns you from stealth, the other is a stealthed assassin that charms you from stealth.

And yes i'm one of the very few veterans of the actual old days left. Where jax still had dodge.

That's why i'm comparing them and current eve probably is even dumber due to her massive AOE NUKE teleport untargetable ult.

Big ol NomNov 9, 20181 votes

well current even is nothing like that, her gap closing is MUCH worse, the range you can see her is much bigger, she has to wait 3 secs, where you can see your getting targeted beforehand and the skillshot she needs to even get the charm is very thin, and trying to e gap close is suicide in a lot of cases

SalronNov 8, 20182 votes

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Wow it's almost like Ghostcrawler wasn't in charge of 100% of balance changes and isn't the evil mastermind the boards made him out to be. So whos going to be the next scapegoat?

Meddler?

King LegoNov 8, 20181 votes

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Oh this guy....I actually forgot he even exists. Yeah I think it will actually be his fault and be blamed rather than blamed for the sake of blame like Ghost.

KaishaNov 8, 20183 votes

GC was terrible. He destroyed WoW, moved to RIOT (and why anyone would hire him after what he did at WoW is beyond me) then proceeded to do the same thing for league. Now he's off to destroy another game.

He needs to go back to studying whale crap because he has no clue how to design/balance video games.

King LegoNov 8, 20183 votes

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GC was terrible. He destroyed WoW, moved to RIOT (and why anyone would hire him after what he did at WoW is beyond me) then proceeded to do the same thing for league. Now he's off to destroy another game.

He needs to go back to studying whale crap because he has no clue how to design/balance video games.

I don't know if whether I should take you seriously or not but what the hell.

Enough with the "he destroyed wow!" Bs. Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it. I don't know how wow worked and how it was so I can't understand your pain or even know if it's actually his fault or not.

Due to how he's so disliked from wow he is to be blamed on every single change that happened to league.

Doge2020Nov 8, 20181 votes

From my understanding The whole WoW thing is that the balance team changed and nerfed so many stuff that, gradually, more and more players left the game. Every time they changed or added something, a very big portion of the playerbase that played whatever was changed would leave because the changes were that bad. the balance team there essentially destroyed the game... so many players left that the game nearly died, there were enough players that the game was still semi floating but it wasn’t the king of MOBAs anymore. Idk if they reverted all of the changes but based on what I can guess and what the above comment told me, they did those reverts after GC “left”.

But sadly that is just the way of the world. just like with Nature and everything created in the Human’s history, games die off and other ones will replace them. League is still going strong but I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing a series of very bad changes that will push more and more players away, either with toxicity or with extremely bad balance decisions.

King LegoNov 8, 20181 votes

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From my understanding The whole WoW thing is that the balance team changed and nerfed so many stuff that, gradually, more and more players left the game. Every time they changed or added something, a very big portion of the playerbase that played whatever was changed would leave because the changes were that bad. the balance team there essentially destroyed the game... so many players left that the game nearly died, there were enough players that the game was still semi floating but it wasn’t the king of MOBAs anymore. Idk if they reverted all of the changes but based on what I can guess and what the above comment told me, they did those reverts after GC “left”.

But sadly that is just the way of the world. just like with Nature and everything created in the Human’s history, games die off and other ones will replace them. League is still going strong but I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing a series of very bad changes that will push more and more players away, either with toxicity or with extremely bad balance decisions.

"I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing a series of very bad changes that will push more and more players away, either with toxicity or with extremely bad balance decisions."

To be honest, so many bad balance happened yet League barely died or suffered (i think). Tank meta didn't push players away, bot lane meta (or Ardent Censer for that matter) didn't push much players away, and a few others. Maybe not at a good load to make riot suffer from it.

I mean, i play mid lane as my primary and i'm a Vel'Koz main, and seeing Irelia mid or Assassins 24/7 and barely any mages mid lane, pushed me away from mid lane and eventually from the game itself. I'm not even playing League solely because of its balance.

Doge2020Nov 9, 20181 votes

Those were arguably bad yes, but I was talking about the possibility of even worse ones. I can’t think of any ones without straight up saying “nerf X popular champ so that it deals zero damage on basic attacks and abilities” lol

King LegoNov 9, 20181 votes

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Those were arguably bad yes, but I was talking about the possibility of even worse ones. I can’t think of any ones without straight up saying “nerf X popular champ so that it deals zero damage on basic attacks and abilities” lol

"the possibility of even worse ones" Buddy, the memory of season 6 when a Maokai literally 1 v 5 me and my team and penta killed us SOLO without taking much damage from us, all the while healing too. To go in detail, neither my team or enemy were fed, we were actually even. Me and my team even had anti tank items (void staff, lord domenic, mortal reminder, etc.), and didn't have a single damage item. Not even half. That memory will haunt me forever, and to my opinion, nothing will be worse than that.

"“nerf X popular champ so that it deals zero damage on basic attacks and abilities”" Yeah at one point, some things need to gutted solely due to how cancer they can be. But that's probably just too cruel and bias.

KaishaNov 8, 20181 votes

Its more than that. GC... how do I explain this to someone who didn't experience it... he says the right things, what the players want to hear, then does the exact opposite. So its not just that he's incompetent, he chooses to outright subvert the players.

For example (just 1 of MANY), he claimed when he joined LOL (after losing 6 millions subs in WoW... again that just baffles me how anyone would hire him) he said that he wanted to add more counter-play. Add more skill. Ways that skilled players/pro players could differentiate themselves. Also he wanted to add a larger chance for players to make a comeback. Too many times one side would get 4 or 5 kills ahead, and the other side would surrender or give up. Sounds good right? Isn't that what we want? A little more skill, less snowball, more back'n'forth? Maybe a little champ/item/rune diversity? All things promised that he would 'look into' when joining the LOL team. These were 'priorities' for him.

How'd that go? Everything that he said he wanted to do... the exact opposite happened. The games are even more snowbally, items are now silly OP and so even a few kills and an assassin/hypercarry can run away with the game. This is both in the lower ELO brackets, but also worlds were all 1-sided stomps. There's even less team cohesion than ever. Rune/item/champ diversity is at an all time low.

So he clearly knew what the player base wanted, but won't or can't make the necessary changes.

I've had it out with him in the WoW forums over similar changes to classes/talents, even quoting posts of his, or showing the math where his 'claims' are incorrect. He'll outright lie, he'll ban people he disagrees with. He's pretty much the definition of toxic and utterly incompetent.

GayFluffyUnicornNov 8, 20182 votes

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King LegoNov 8, 20181 votes

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But what you are wrong is AOE didn't have kiting. "Three games now where i can see GCs footprint. And guess what it is always the same. KITING KITING KITING HURR DURR RANGED UNITS SO GOOD." May i remind you that there is no kiting in Age of Empires? I don't even know if there is such thing in WoW either, but say archers when they shoot countless arrows at a moving enemy, little to none can hit the enemy depending on how fast it moves. Are you sure you played the game?!? Even with fictional stories it followed the laws of physics. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

I don't like Meddler too, especially with the video of him talking about "unusual playstyles", but for Fearless, i don't know much about him except some hardstuck silver who is a tank main, who is the very cause of the infamous tank meta, where tanks were tanky af and can dish out loads of damage.

GayFluffyUnicornNov 9, 20182 votes

Wow can't remember i literally wrote KITING IN AGE OF EMPIRES. Kiting and ranged units in general are his schtick. No but melee units were fuckin useless while horse archers ran around killing everyone.

And yes WoW was about kiting, frost mages for example.

Fearless is the guy who reworked the jungle. Who literally reworked the jungle and didn't notice that by doing red krugs junglers get lvl 3 while laners are level 1 and took them two months or something to fix it. He was never heard of again until recently where he worked on some items. Yeah hardstuck silver jungle main who plays rammus and other tanks and has enough time to amass thousand games per season and this is how current jungle feels like. A silver jungler who wants to win games in the easiest way possible. As for the tank meta idk if he was responsible for season 6 sunfire/IBG terror.

And sorry for being salty but it is GCs philosophy he talked about it on the old forums. He brought that shit from WoW. He has an insane range bias and you can clearly see it in league. You saw it in WoW pvp and as i said AOE ranged units were way superior. He also has a habit of doing the exact opposite of what he says. He talks about how he likes the ebb and flow of combat when talking about melee champs yet ranged champs can just flow melees to death. And don't try to argue with me that melees are somehow good in league. It takes terrible fuckin designs like camille or irelia to make melees viable in league in high level play.

Meddler i don't know he just has no idea. He doesn't or barely plays the game anymore and has zero insight or understanding. I do think meddler might maybe be able to do the right thing if he had the right people guiding him but he has guys like fearless, terrible designers like the fired daniel z. klein who throw bitchfits when people play his champions differently as he intented them to. And the rest jerks themselves off to their "unique" ideas disregarding the fun completely and this isn't a joke. It was actually on reddit by a rioter that riot doesn't give a fuck about fun when designing champions or balancing the game.

In a recent thread that quote was highly upvoted by reddit so unfortunately i guess a part of the community is totally fine with terrible champion design that sucks the fun out of this game.

King LegoNov 9, 20181 votes

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Wow can't remember i literally wrote KITING IN AGE OF EMPIRES. Kiting and ranged units in general are his schtick. No but melee units were fuckin useless while horse archers ran around killing everyone.

And yes WoW was about kiting, frost mages for example.

Fearless is the guy who reworked the jungle. Who literally reworked the jungle and didn't notice that by doing red krugs junglers get lvl 3 while laners are level 1 and took them two months or something to fix it. He was never heard of again until recently where he worked on some items. Yeah hardstuck silver jungle main who plays rammus and other tanks and has enough time to amass thousand games per season and this is how current jungle feels like. A silver jungler who wants to win games in the easiest way possible. As for the tank meta idk if he was responsible for season 6 sunfire/IBG terror.

And sorry for being salty but it is GCs philosophy he talked about it on the old forums. He brought that shit from WoW. He has an insane range bias and you can clearly see it in league. You saw it in WoW pvp and as i said AOE ranged units were way superior. He also has a habit of doing the exact opposite of what he says. He talks about how he likes the ebb and flow of combat when talking about melee champs yet ranged champs can just flow melees to death. And don't try to argue with me that melees are somehow good in league. It takes terrible fuckin designs like camille or irelia to make melees viable in league in high level play.

Meddler i don't know he just has no idea. He doesn't or barely plays the game anymore and has zero insight or understanding. I do think meddler might maybe be able to do the right thing if he had the right people guiding him but he has guys like fearless, terrible designers like the fired daniel z. klein who throw bitchfits when people play his champions differently as he intented them to. And the rest jerks themselves off to their "unique" ideas disregarding the fun completely and this isn't a joke. It was actually on reddit by a rioter that riot doesn't give a fuck about fun when designing champions or balancing the game.

In a recent thread that quote was highly upvoted by reddit so unfortunately i guess a part of the community is totally fine with terrible champion design that sucks the fun out of this game.

With Fearless i don't even know. But if it's true, it can show that Riot's balance team can have bias. Again, i don't know but it's an insane conspiracy.

GhostCrawler, I guess it's safe to say that i don't know much about him as much as the you or the next guy, but for now i'm just collecting what i heard and use them as a "i heard that GC was..." rather than "GC is a..." (in other words, i just hear around without thinking if it's a fact or not. The bias on GC and hatred is just too damn high. I made a thread about him: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/RfodovJF-i-know-who-ghostcrawler-is-but-i-dont-know-whether-or-not-i-should-hate-him-like-others-do

Meddler, when i 1st watched a video of him talking about unusual playstyles, there are things i don't agree, and i think there were a few things that pissed me off from him.

"It was actually on reddit by a rioter that riot doesn't give a fuck about fun when designing champions or balancing the game." Can i have the link to the post or something? If i have to guess, it you probably be CertainlyT, but he's more of a guy who let's his creativity get the better of him and not the thought of "okay i should stop". I'll be making a post about him sooner or later. I'm starting to hate the guy anyway.

Hexs FortuneNov 8, 20181 votes

Ghostcrawler is making a secret project, which I hope is not a mobile game @Diablo

Then again blitz poro run was good

King LegoNov 8, 20181 votes

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Ghostcrawler is making a secret project, which I hope is not a mobile game @Diablo

Then again blitz poro run was good

Man I miss blitz mode. I'd spam the crap out of it more that ranked or normals that the mode will beg me to give it a break.

Linna ExcelNov 9, 20181 votes

My best guess is it is an MMO.

Bonus guess is Morello has been working on it since he left the head gameplay position.

Pillar Of SaItNov 8, 20181 votes

"Runes reforged" broke the game

They will continue breaking the game until they are deleted

King LegoNov 8, 20181 votes

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"Runes reforged" broke the game

They will continue breaking the game until they are deleted

With the 3rd page on runes, i don't think i'm going to agree on this. Bad decisions on other things maybe.

KOGMIDONLYNov 9, 20181 votes

The new management is good, making the changes that’s needed to being back tanks etc, the ornn and sej bringing back AP Bruisers is a huge start. Season9 is looking bright