@Riot : These Star Guardian Quests Ask Way Too Much of the Player(s)

SomethingAncient·9/7/2017, 7:08:53 PM·371 votes·35,403 views

There isn't a place for mission issues in the discussion boards as far as I'm aware (if there is please direct me to it), so I'm hoping this is the right board.

I just saw the missions and I get it, to some degree. But to require 5 man pre-mades is ridiculous. It's hard enough for me to get a 5 man pre-made going, and I'm sure others are in this boat as well. Some are worse off, and don't have that many friends on at one time. And the difficulty besides, you've done a good job to make a challenging map, but do you honestly expect every player to have 5 friends on at a time-- all of whom are good enough to win with the challenges you impose?

This needs to be toned down. It's going to be a nightmare for me, impossible for a lot of others. Please don't require 5 man pre-mades, it's a bad idea.

Edit/Retrospect: So, I tried a few more times but ultimately wasn't able to get friends together for the pre-made missions. Furthermore, as I'd been dealing with a bout of depression, I was playing League just to focus on something else. I couldn't even get the solo missions done because, despite being paired up with diamonds for most of my tries, we kept failing. No one stayed together, everyone wiped just before the boss. It was too frustrating; and I wasn't ready to deal with more of said frustration and the associated pressure I place on myself to complete the missions - so I didn't, I stopped playing that game mode.

So, ultimately: I stand behind everything I have said. Too much was asked of most players. Honestly, I was excited for the star guardian event, even bought a couple of skins (I'll buy the Syndra skin next, when I can). But the missions kind of killed it for me.

With the way they have made me feel, I'd be okay if missions just went away forever. I'd rather feel energized for big events and releases, not pressured.

401 Comments

Velzard of Koz9/7/2017, 7:20:38 PM98 votes

What I don't understand is that in one blog they ackknowledged people don't like being rectriced by what mode they must play but they found 5-man premades okay. Weird.

Inquisitor Kane9/7/2017, 8:12:45 PM51 votes

The whole mode is BS.

Why should I tryhard in "fun mode"? I thought fun weekend modes were to lighten up the mood and enjoy bit of freedom and just joke around.

This sht is intense. You have to tryhard more than in ranked game and the missions are just downright retarded.

I'm pissed because I wanted to get champ shards and since I don't have much time to play this looked like fast way to get new champions. But no. I don't have time to waste whole day just to learn strategy of one single stupid mode that goes away soon, then get frustrated by not winning a game and wasting so much time playing it.

It's longer than normal game.

Concept is great (although I don't like SG theme at all) but the game mode is not fun. It's frustrating and just bad.

Mysticman899/7/2017, 8:25:28 PM46 votes

I'm sure this was plenty of fun to test in the office where everyone could cooperate live with their close friends.

It's far less fun with a bunch of randoms. Even if people get together with 4 people from the forums or whatever for the purposes of the missions, it'll still feel very forced and you're not going to have the same synergy as with your actual friends.

RiotRiot Defaultchar9/7/2017, 9:33:01 PM46 votes

Responding to two different sentiments somewhat quickly:

  1. Re: Premade vs Solo: **In Short: As a solo player, you can get whichever of the two rewards you prefer, without ever entering a premade. **

The goal of the mission layout was to actually make you feel like you had a clear/ reasonable path to rewards as a Solo Player. That said, looks like the way they're displayed is throwing people off (You don't see the full flowchart), so that's something we'll talk about going forward

There's 6 missions total: 3 of them should require a premade (Get an S and the two team comps) and 3 don't (Beat base, Win as all 3 roles, Get an A). If one of those in the second set isn't unlocking as a solo, that's a bug: Please let me know and we'll try to sort it out as quickly as possible (There is some update lag we're seeing: Once you win the game, if your mission isn't updating, try leaving the EoG, then Close + Re-open mission tab)

Both "Sets" of missions give a total of 4 tokens. So as a solo player, completing every mission gets you one of your choice.

The 3 missions we chose required premades because for the team compositions, we wanted to avoid as much champ select tension as reasonably possible ("Hey guys don't pick ADC. Oh, you did? I'm dodging"). The S was because we didn't realistically think you could do it without being coordinated, and didn't want to set the expectation you should.

  1. re: Difficulty.

Uh... yeah :) You're right, these missions, particularly the premade ones, are hard. This is the first time we've experimented with missions like this ("Do something hard" vs "Participate with these conditionals"), so we are definitely curious how they'll go, and any feedback is appreciated. In this particular case, we wanted it to be additional goals to strive for once you have beaten the mode. The missions were made for those who really enjoy the mode and are interested in mastering it, and for them, we wanted some additional commemoration, but also just fun objectives/ "Achievements" to aim for.

P3NANC39/7/2017, 7:28:45 PM34 votes

I really enjoyed the Battle Boss/ Arcade event, and its missions. I bought the dungeon key for that too. I just played one normal Invasion match and I feel it goes from killing enemies, to a game of bullet-hell where I can't even quite discern anymore where my ability is actually landing, or what is damaging me... besides seemingly everything! I very much enjoy missions, and I actually bought Ornn for this... challenges are cool and all, but having to win a dozen or so Onslaught games, highly specific team compositions... and apparently in 5-person premades ... Nah, I'll skip the ward reward. I'm not that big of a fan of the LoL Sailor Moon theme, but would have done the missions... if I wouldn't have to grind and drag through it over and over until one wins an the set number of Onslaught missions with highly specific accomplishment conditions.

I do hope that plenty of other people will find it interesting enough to play, but I'm afraid the data at the end of the ride will show "few" people played it through till the end... which is a shame since Riot made a complete custom map for this.

Dream High9/7/2017, 9:01:42 PM30 votes

5 man premade, difficult game mode, forced to play x character class so you have to redo a bunch of times. I'll pass.

Uncle Fungus9/7/2017, 10:15:11 PM25 votes

Honestly you shouldn't have to be on the Onslaught difficulty. School just started and many people don't have time to find out the best possible strategy to win your rewards.

A Liberal9/7/2017, 8:30:31 PM22 votes

o.o I just realized you have to play the hard mode for the missions. I can't even win the normal mode.

r.i.P guess i'll just dip out on thisone

Penta Penguin9/7/2017, 9:32:56 PM20 votes

I don't mind the challenge of the map itself, but having 3 different missions that each require multiple separate runs to complete is ridiculous

Some of the stages also don't seem fairly balanced (some seem impossible, others are too easy)

ForFoxSakes9/7/2017, 8:24:10 PM19 votes

Agreed. Not only that but it makes EVERYONE in the premade having to be on the same quest at the same time since some quest requirements contradict the requirements of others.

Someone needs to win as a marksman, yet 2 others need to win without one, and another needs to win without a mage, so fuck this premade since some people are now needed to play in the premade without any quest progression

Aikeko9/7/2017, 11:50:48 PM18 votes

I don't think you can even call this an event. I call it dissapointment......[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Salson9/7/2017, 7:32:26 PM17 votes

Agreed. I can't even win, let alone find a premade to win with.

Laufie9/7/2017, 9:03:43 PM16 votes

Agree completely. I'm pretty damn salty that a "fun" mechanic in the game was made into such a requirement to tryhard, and for what? A ward skin.

AvatarRoku229/7/2017, 9:20:59 PM13 votes

ALSO they need to increase the character select timer. theres practically no time to even communicate with your team on what mission you should go for

TentacleParty9/7/2017, 8:28:01 PM13 votes

Lol I'm probably more upset about the fact that the rewards are either a ward, or champ permanent. It just seems silly to me. They had all this hype going for the new skins to bring this into play. I'm not going to grind with a premade for a ward or champ permanent. It just doesn't seem worth it to me.

Yayong9/7/2017, 11:44:53 PM13 votes

As for such a beautiful event with all these new animations, skins, merch, game mode, quiz etc., missions are totally super dull, difficult and discouraging.

KrazyKavy9/7/2017, 8:46:30 PM13 votes

This game mode is a complete disaster. I hope whoever came up with it isn't actually getting paid for their input.

MissBehavin9/8/2017, 1:43:14 PM13 votes

This mode is the worst that riot has ever released hands down in many different categories.

It is completely unfriendly for new or low skilled players.

It promotes toxicity from people having to sit and grind (for easily several hours) for four quests that reward you.....a ward skin.....or!!! a champion shard...(wth?) Not only this, but the people grinding it are super salty )and who could blame them?) because they have to sit there and explain how to do each stage with each new group and hope to god they get it right or are skilled enough to pass the requirements of the stage.

Requiring people to be in a 5 pre made team is just a god awful idea. After 2 attempts with my 4 other friends who were excited about the new mode, they found it irritating and said it wasnt for them. I find a good grp of 4 randos, we grouped up and get two parts of one quest done (took us like 3 hours) and that was the best grp I got all day doing this.

Its buggy as hell. Sometimes my character will get stuck in the summoning animation while starting the countdown, making me float around like janna but stuck in this awkward position that makes it hard to dodge the millions of vel koz casts. 1350 for each regular non legendary skin (extra if you want an icon) and somehow, we just cant get the game in the type of quality you'd expect for the money being asked. I dont mind supporting, but cmon, this mode was in PBE, NO ONE caught this? I know for a fact ppl were complaining in PBE that this stuff was way too hard, but I am sure along with those complaints there were bug reports too.

The game mode is asking waaayyyyyyy too much of some people. I can go an entire mode not getting hit by one vel koz laser, but my team of 4 randos or 4 friends might get hit by like 5-6 and thats enough to wipe us.

The game is far too limited, some items are not in the mode (fine I get that), but then gold is very limited too (why?), you can only play SG characters (I also get this), and for some reason since almost all of the SG toons are squishies, each mode is littered with tanks and assassins who...if you were to get caught out with in a normal match on an adc/support/mage, you would be punished by death. And oh ya, they are buffed and you are debuffed in stats. WHY? And by the way, each restriction isn't so bad, but you tie all of these limitations together and its just... frustratingly not fun.

All of this cancer, for one simple ward skin that looks like a glorified baby rattle.

Its just not worth it. I managed to luck out and almost finish 2 of the quests out of the 3 left after the intro one. But, ya, I think I'm good. I hate grinds, this is why I dont play chinese mmo's and why I don't play WoW. Overly excessive grinds in any game are not okay for a good majority of people, I am not alone in that opinion.

This mode could have been really fun and had creative quests. Instead it is almost as if rito wanted to try and be dark souls hard thinking people would somehow enjoy this in a moba. I dont get it.

Funny thing is, even patching a quick fix and toning it down wont even fix it at this point. Almost every group I got in to tonight had at least 1 person saying that the mode just wasn't fun. Most of these people had only played once or twice and most people seem to be really turned off from it at this point and it's only been out a day. Thats really disapointing.

Kuromatsu9/7/2017, 9:22:27 PM11 votes

i've tried the onslaught as tank lulu or soraka and i still cant get past the bullet hell of the level before boss. and considering all my friends just recently disowned me... thanks for rubbing it in riot. this is why i stick to aram.

NikoDynasty9/7/2017, 11:17:09 PM10 votes

I'm skipping out on this event and encourage others to do the same! I'd understand the difficulty of the quests if the event game you something like a star guardian skin or better yet an Epic/Ultimate skin/skin shard of your choosing as well as the champ if you do not own it. But since that is not the case, then there is no possible reason as to why we should even be doing this event.

Vilifier9/7/2017, 11:42:05 PM10 votes

The 2nd mobile board where vels come from the back and the front is impossible to beat, ive tried it with 10 different teams, the problem isnt the enemies the problem is there are 20 vel koz sitting at the end of the board firing projectiles and between having to fight while the circle is moving down a super narrow board and being attacked by kogs and rek'sais from every side it's impossible. I've had 3 diamonds and a gold get completely demolished on that board with me. There is a destinct difference between "being hard" and being impossible, these aren't just hard, unless you have a diamond premade you aren't making it through onslaught period.

LordBrasca9/8/2017, 1:44:59 AM10 votes

Winning one time is already an HUGE challenge on onslaught, then they also had the brilliant idea to put ridicolous conditions on those wins.

It's not like doombots where you can just ignore them and go for the towers... You can't do shit if you have velkoz placed 360° around the map shooting nonstop with skarners making sure to grab you into their projectiles just in case you want to dodge. And skarner grab is not a skillshot, you can't dodge that.

I managed to win 1 by pure luck but i honestly felt depressed after seeing that i wasn't even being able to complete a single mission, but just 1 out of 3...

Autrah Fang9/7/2017, 8:36:02 PM10 votes

yea... i only have 2 other people to play with total, and one of them has been MIA for the last 4 days, so make that 1 person. i always hate things that require friends in games, because i almost never have anyone else to play with... it sucks.

Hexs Fortune9/8/2017, 7:54:43 AM9 votes

It's pretty unreasonable to expect us to get an A rank in a random group. Just spend all day rolling teams until we get lucky right rito? Bad design

Heffalumps9/7/2017, 11:20:33 PM9 votes

I am not one to really post on the boards. only done so once or twice in the 7-8 years I have owned the game. I love all the new skins (own all the star guardian skins). only thing is I hate having to pick between arcade and star guardian now on a couple champs.... BUT! in the 7-8 years I have owned the game I have only been a casual player... most of my real life friends don't play anymore and on top of that I have a 2 month year old to look after now so I have to be very selective when I play this game, and now you wont to exclude people from your game now.

Just saying this keeps up I will be moving to another game that I can play casually

VMeowww9/8/2017, 5:15:18 AM8 votes

the fact that you have to have 5 men premade to complete the two out of four missions is ridiculous. So i enjoyed league on my own so what? Basically these missions are saying if ur playing by urself with random ppl ur a loser?

Pie Cubed9/7/2017, 7:10:49 PM6 votes

I mean, it's a challenge. If it's difficult, that's really the point...

Galiö9/7/2017, 9:32:20 PM2 votes

Its a step in the right direction imo. Other quests eere too easy