An Idea for Yasuo and an Idea for Nocturne

Van Grants·Apr 16, 2015·1 votes·498 views

Yasuo is pretty weak right now since all those nerfs garbage canned him, but that's mainly because when Riot messes with his numbers he either ends up strong or bad with little in between. So instead of just increasing his numbers until he becomes FOTM again, why not get rid of his channel time on his Q and make the animation able to be cancelled. His Q scales slower than his autoattacks and actually drops off after a certain amount of AD (around 266~ iirc), so it wouldn't make his late game any stronger really but his early game would slightly enhanced. I think this would make him more usable while not becoming anywhere near as strong as he used to be.

As for Nocturne, I was thinking his spellshield could reflect a flat amount of magic damage if used to block a targeted spell or skillshot (that way traps would be unaffected).

What do you guys think about these ideas?

15 Comments

ModAcademy KaynApr 16, 20151 votes

I don't like the cast time idea, since then it'd would be much harder to avoid his Q, which is made dodge able for a reason. That reason being a piercing, on-hit procing, and increased range than a normal auto attack.

Van GrantsApr 16, 20151 votes

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I don't like the cast time idea, since then it'd would be much harder to avoid his Q, which is made dodge able for a reason. That reason being a piercing, on-hit procing, and increased range than a normal auto attack.

If you're in range of Yasuo's Q, and the person playing Yasuo isn't blind, you can't really dodge it.

ModAcademy KaynApr 16, 20151 votes

You'd be surprised. Yasou has to aim for where you are. So if you are familiar with his cd's, you can predict the F**k out of it.

DudeFuckApr 16, 20151 votes

Yasuo really isnt that bad lol. Hes not nearly as strong as he was around the time of his release, but E maxing after his Q changed works wonders for certain matchups. It also makes it hard to itemize against him since a max'd E with two stacks does a shit ton early game. I honestly think the rest of his kit is fine. if you wanted your idea to go through i think he'd be bit to strong due to the point light2401 brought up. he'd probably take another nerf to his E and maybe lower the cooldown per lvl up of his Q like it originally was.

Van GrantsApr 16, 20151 votes

Yasuo isn't fine, he's legitimately a weak and bad pick right now. It's actually at the point where even though Riot knows people still think he's cancer (because they're uninformed/biased), they're still trying to give him a slight buff.

DudeFuckApr 16, 20151 votes

Hes probably a little weaker than the average pick but hes not bad.

Van GrantsApr 16, 20151 votes

No, he is a bad pick. He is easily in the bottom 3-5 mid laners, and is weak top lane too.

DudeFuckApr 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Van Grants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dRTtcx83,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-04-16T22:38:58.775+0000)

No, he is a bad pick. He is easily in the bottom 3-5 mid laners, and is weak top lane too.

Its completely possible to do well with him against a lot of the meta mid laners.

Van GrantsApr 16, 20151 votes

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Its completely possible to do well with him against a lot of the meta mid laners.

And you can beat anyone with any champion if you outskill your opponent by a large margin, doesn't mean your pick was good. If XiaoWeiXiao played Yasuo against a Plat-ranked Annie (one of Yasuo's worst matchups), he could still win through outplaying. Again, doesn't mean Yasuo is a good pick.

DudeFuckApr 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Van Grants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dRTtcx83,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-04-16T22:46:32.215+0000)

And you can beat anyone with any champion if you outskill your opponent by a large margin, doesn't mean your pick was good. If XiaoWeiXiao played Yasuo against a Plat-ranked Annie (one of Yasuo's worst matchups), he could still win through outplaying. Again, doesn't mean Yasuo is a good pick.

Im doing just fine with yasuo against players of equal skill to me(well at least similar rank which means they most likely arent too far off from my skill level).

Van GrantsApr 16, 20151 votes

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Im doing just fine with yasuo against players of equal skill to me(well at least similar rank which means they most likely arent too far off from my skill level).

...ok? Having some wins with him in low elo means literally nothing. Yasuo is a weak champion, period.

DudeFuckApr 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Van Grants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dRTtcx83,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-16T22:52:32.536+0000)

...ok? Having some wins with him in low elo means literally nothing. Yasuo is a weak champion, period.

But it does in fact mean something. Maybe you should stop blaming a champ for your shitty ranked stats in silver 4 and instead take some time to learn match ups and how to play against them instead of bashing your face on a keyboard and crying for buffs. If you CAN win with Yasuo in low elo, then isnt that enough for you? You can worry about how viable he is in "high elo" once you get there. Until then l2p

Van GrantsApr 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pinche Doogz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dRTtcx83,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-16T22:53:53.006+0000)

But it does in fact mean something. Maybe you should stop blaming a champ for your shitty ranked stats in silver 4 and instead take some time to learn match ups and how to play against them instead of bashing your face on a keyboard and crying for buffs. If you CAN win with Yasuo in low elo, then isnt that enough for you? You can worry about how viable he is in "high elo" once you get there. Until then l2p

And literally nothing you said is true or even slightly applies to the conversation at hand. This is the gameplay and balance board, so I made a post about gameplay and balance. And please, quote where I said I ever blame the champion I play if I don't do well. Please give me a direct quote. Or better yet, take a picture of it and show me. Until then, fuck off you salty, sad little kid.

DudeFuckApr 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Van Grants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dRTtcx83,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-16T23:20:12.189+0000)

And literally nothing you said is true or even slightly applies to the conversation at hand. This is the gameplay and balance board, so I made a post about gameplay and balance. And please, quote where I said I ever blame the champion I play if I don't do well. Please give me a direct quote. Or better yet, take a picture of it and show me. Until then, fuck off you salty, sad little kid.

You should work on your reading comprehension then. Your original post stated that the champion was "garbage canned" by the nerfs. I calmly stated why he wasnt as bad as you thought he was, and you basically just said "nah hes bad youre wrong" multiple times without any explanation. You seem incredibly angry by the fact that i pointed out your shitty yasuo stats. You dont need to type it out; its incredibly obvious that youre looking for some excuse as to why youre not good with him. Its not the champion. Its you.