So does Riot just hate Enchanters/Mages/Mage Supports?

Witchy Wench·Oct 22, 2018·9 votes·2,494 views

Is your plan to just remove them from the game eventually? Because that's what it feels like. Welcome to League of bruiser/assassin/adc legends everyone.

19 Comments

RenownedWheat42Oct 22, 201812 votes

Do you have an actual point, or anything to talk about? Or is this just complaining?

Witchy WenchOct 22, 20185 votes

Spoken like a true Talon main.

RenownedWheat42Oct 22, 20189 votes

Never played a game of Talon in my life, though.

Warlord RhinarkOct 22, 20185 votes

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Spoken like a true Talon main.

At least try to argument for your point.

Don't be a dick.

NamîsteOct 22, 20186 votes

How does Riot hate them? There are many good enchanters and mage supports that are in a good place.

Lulu? Nami? Sona? Soraka? Brand? Vel'Koz? Morgana? What's wrong with them as supports?

PelopasOct 22, 20185 votes

No, the community does

OtterlyLostOct 22, 20181 votes

I like Enchanter supports; they're actually just doing the job they were intended to do. And I'm fine with mages. Its when someone goes,"Herpderp autofilled support, better go this mildly mechanical champion who usually plays as a carry so they have no peel instead of someone like Soraka or Janna who has one job in lane; don't get jumped on!!" Seriously, I hate mage supports. I hate having one and I hate laning against one. :/ If I have one, we'll get camped to high heaven because, look! Two squishies with minimal CC and they burned their flashes in the first level 2 to 3 gank!" and if I'm against one, I spend the entirety of laning phase doing the hokey pokey with my lane minions; I go in and then have to try and use the fleetfootwork MS to go back out quickly so I don't lose all of my health.

Enchanters are great; preferred even.

Mages midlane are also great and definitely preferred.

Mage supports are annoying and awful and I wish that Riot would hurry up and rework the biggest offenders so that they will stay mid.

IllabetheOct 22, 20181 votes

Preferred and chosen are two different things. Almost any bot lane will tell you they'd prefer a Leona Alistar to an Enchanter, and definitely mages to enchanters.

Supports however see it differently: I don't like to risky dying, so I play an enchanter.

Doesn't mean that's what their adc wants..... Leona + MF/Draven/Sivir/Lucian almost always = a level 2 First Blood bot lane.

P.S. There is literally no change to mages that would make them less viable bot lane but more viable mid lane. Every change would either make them too weak for mid laning, Or would make them broken mid lane and average as a support.

OtterlyLostOct 22, 20181 votes

I prefer enchanters as an ADC so I must be in the minority. I will totally take a good lulu/janna/nami/taric over Leona. Alistar is dependent on how well he does staying with me in teamfights.

And I loath getting mage supports because I know after laning phase or sometimes even in lane, I'm just a sitting duck.

ParoeOct 22, 20183 votes

Mages are just auxiliary burst damage so the marksman can get the kills easier. You notice how just about every mage nowadays is some form of zoning or CC monster, and how the mage tree is almost completely devoted to supports.

Witchy WenchOct 22, 20182 votes

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Mages are just auxiliary burst damage so the marksman can get the kills easier. You notice how just about every mage nowadays is some form of zoning or CC monster, and how the mage tree is almost completely devoted to supports.

So mages are only good to support? Not mid lane? Because they can't do crap in mid verse an assassin.

ParoeOct 22, 20183 votes

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So mages are only good to support? Not mid lane? Because they can't do crap in mid verse an assassin.

No. Theyre not quite supports, but they arent meant to carry either. Its why Riot nerfed their itemization by a fair sum during the last major mage update and buffed the heck out of rylais.

ZT XperimentorOct 27, 20182 votes

Also why most mages are upset, remember when AP carry was a thing? Veigar is the only reminiscent one of that now because of the changes you've mentioned.

rtbf36083462Oct 22, 20183 votes

Janna: Counters 95% of melee champions as well as some ranged champions. Let her stay dead.

Soraka: Still viable in her niche.

Lulu: See Janna.

Nami: Was actually quite strong not too long ago.

Karma: I refuse to acknowledge you as an enchanter.

Sona: The Garen of supports. What do you expect?

As it all should be.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 22, 20183 votes

Mages played toplane, mages played midlane, mages played botlane in BOTH positions: "RITO Y U REMOVE MOOOGES FROM THE GEMA?!!?!?!?"

Can we please remove people like you from the boards? And no its the community that hates enchanters because enchanters are a garbage design as a whole that prevent people from playing league of legends by passively spamming heals/shields and instantly invalidating anyone who tries to interact with you.

There are some who are not as offensive in that regard like nami and that's why nami is allowed to stay good. Janna, lulu, soraka? No thanks.

Midg3tOct 22, 20185 votes

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And no its the community that hates enchanters because enchanters are a garbage design as a whole that prevent people from playing league of legends by passively spamming heals/shields and instantly invalidating anyone who tries to interact with you.

Enchanters are supposed to put heals and shields on allies and prevent enemies from jumping on them. How is that garbage design lol. What should enchanters do? Act as frontliners, even tho they are squishy? Or just stay as ward bots? The community hates enchanters because they are punishing reckless players who cannot play around cooldowns and just want to rush in and kill every1.

ŁìlíthJan 2, 20191 votes

Enchanters are not a garbage design. They are in the game to protect and peel. Their job is to deny one shots... if you play without thinking and complain every time that a Janna knocked you up or ulted you away then you gave her a chance to do it. I admit that enchanters are strong but each of them have their own weaknesses and counterplay.

EleshakaiOct 22, 20181 votes

I'm gonna be honest... I'm not high ranked(just hit gold), but the support I've had the most success with lately has been Zyra. She's a MONSTER in the support role.

As far as enchanters go... it's unfortunate. I love playing them, but they're just not impactful enough in the mid/late game right now so I can't really do much to impact the game.